Just in time for WWIII
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-pakistan-jf17-may-be-most-widely-operated-combat-jet-2022-11?r=US&IR=T
Ahh but what is the price? Is there a Black Friday deal?? ;-)
As quoted in the story:
Ranging from $15 million to $25 million each, the JF-17 is considerably cheaper than virtually every other fourth-generation jet on the market.
Typical Ali express purchase - cheap and unreliable. Nice to see that Pakistan solved so many of it's problems it can spend money on jets.
And they would simply be cattle fodder against Fifth Generation fighters.
But they are very handy for bribes and bombing tribes.
This month; “Israeli fighter jets bomb Gaza in first such operation since August”
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/brit…islamic-state/ Value for money?
An inexpensive proposal for one country’s problems.
Marton and Tom are playing the man not the ball:
Pakistan is bombing Pakistani civilians indiscriminately .
For such missions even low quality Chinise jets suffice. In any case Pakistan wants to maintain friendly relations with China, Uigur Muslims ignored.
Israel is attacking Islamist targets located with civilian population. If Israel, as Tom suggested, would consider all Palestians as targets it would use cheaper & deadlier Artillery - same as Ukrianian army is using.
Instead Israel is going into great, unparalleled, lengths, to minimize civilian casualties - advance warnings etc. Hamas is using it’s own civilians as human shields.
The other speculations don’t merit an answer.
Or it might assume they are all terrorists and surround them with a blockade, condemned by the UN with medical and other essential supplies blocked.
Considered an occupation by many international human rights organisations too.
That's the Gaza strip.
If this was they case why would Israel allow Gazans to work and recieve healthcare in Israel ?
Tom pretends to care about the plight opf the palestinians, even dragging them to a discussion that has nothng to do with them and posting racist caricatures. Yet their starvation and bombing by actors other than Israel doesn't arouse him. Quite similar to the UN (the non democratic members anyway) and various organizations.
Even prisoners have to work.
Says the person who dragged the U.K. into it...
But why should Israel employ them, if it considers them all Terrorists ? or treat them in Israeli hospitals ? your argument is false.
Marton brought Israel into a discussion about Pakistan, hence the UK reference.
btw - the UK killed thousands of Palestinians. if you wish to make reparations, do them at your own expense and don't drag Israel into it.
The posting of antisemitic images is absolutely not permitted. Even if you think the Israelis are terrible people.
I don't. I just don't care for Pashosh's "All Muslims are terrorists" rhetoric and used another abhorrent stereo-type to make a point.
Additionally, I think you need to put your spectacles on because instead of accusing me thinking or writing "the Israelis are terrible people" I actually wrote that most Israellis (at least the ones I have met) don't think like him and think the way the Israeli government treat the Palestinians is shameful.
Shame on you as a mod to take my post, delete it, and twist what I wrote to mean something else completely - and accuse me of being a racist.
That's no less inane than stating that any and every depiction of the Swastika is banned because it can't be anything other than evidence of antisemitism. There are obviously very valid reasons to post them, either as well as both, without intent to use it in an antisemitic way.
Tom clearly meant it in the sense of "if you think this caricature is abhorrent, you need to apply the same measures elsewhere, too.".
Yes I still despise Tom's pervasive tendency to turn everything into personal attacks, that hasn't and won't change. Yet his caricature was precisely not that, it was a reminder for Pashosh of the fact that he's sitting in the glasshouse while throwing stones.
Me either.
It’s a balance and subjective. You’d go one way, I went another. I found the image abhorrent and deleted it. Inconsistency in moderation? Well, we’re human and we can’t be everywhere at all times policing the forums. We’re more reactive than proactive. I can’t please everyone. https://www.englishforum.ch/3448306-post82.html .
I’d delete posts with swastikas in them as well.
If I felt the poster was beyond the pale and deliberately being offensive, they’d be banned. That didn’t happen.
You’ll note that I deleted your post with the comment “I understand what you were trying to say, but find another way.”.
I don’t think you’re racist. And I meant “you” in a general way, rather than you specifically. But I understand that it’s ambiguous, so I apologise for that and hope this post clarifies things.
That was a private message but publicly you wrote:
....Even if you think the Israelis are terrible people....
I apologise too for posting the cartoon. I nearly didn't and I nearly went back and deleted it.
There's a lot going on in the world apart from the obvious Ukraine conflict - a lot of it against women and minorities.
The Taliban in Afghanistan has gone back on it's word and has banned women from parks and funfairs and girls have been barred from attending school.
Meanwhile in Israel, Netanyahu is appointing thugs and ultra-Orthodox people to the government. One, Avi Maoz has declared that the place for women is the home. All are anti-Arab homophobes too. There's real talk of turning Israel, the beacon of democracy in the middle east into a Theocracy.
Then there's Iran and one mustn't forget women's rights being eroded in the U.S. too.
So if I'm anti-anything, it's the more orthodox parts of all Abrahamic religions driving us back in progress hundreds of years.
Probably one for another thread.