A Playground Next to Our House - EEK!

Zuger, kudos to you! Even though it's not your job, I think any time you spend mentoring them is admirable.

I concur it is the lack of parental or generally family envolvement that inspires teens to entertain themselves and push boundaries. It's not a question of culture, how wealthy the family is, etc. But how much love and care and level of expectations adults have of them. There is nothing good about boredom, me thinks, in any age, to be honest. Some people as long as they don't hear of troubles, don't take any interest.

And, when you think of life, it's not as if people were darlings all the time and just during the brief period of puberty they turned into devils. Every age has its successful and controversial people, the young ones, the tots and teens might be only the most visible ones, since they couldn't care less for what norms society pushes on them.

Although for teenagers the odds are stacked against them. I was watching a documentary where they presented a group of 9-10 year olds with various social situations and pitched the same situations to a bunch of hormonal 14-17 year olds.

Surprisingly, the younger group could read the signals in each situation consistently better than the teenagers. The conclusion being that the cocktail of hormones somehow interferes with a teenager's judgement of a situation and a person, which then contributes to the emotional outbursts and lack of social skills.

Right next to my building is the tiny community soccer field (used only by kids). I have about four large soccer fields across the street from me. I don't mind the kids running around. I'm glad to see it and hear it after living in parts of the US where all the kids are kept locked indoors and Halloween is sad sad memory.

My occasional irritant is from the local stadium (across the river) in which the Lugano FC games are played. It'd be ok except for the drunken yobs at both ends of the field doing their mindless chanting.

The only thing that gets me in the summer is the teens with their mopeds/dirt bikes. It'd be ok if they had proper exhausts but they're already pieces o' shite and they've only made them more so by gutting said exhausts in a sad attempt to a) be noticed and/or b) go half a sloth faster than their friends. That and they all use my street to cut across from one side of river to another (using the foot bridge) rather than go around and use the road bridge. Meanwhile...the rest of us with proper bikes have to keep them quiet as church mice... (which is fine with me actually)

It sounds to me you want to have your cake and eat it too...When you had small kids you lived next to a park and were able to make use of it. Now your kids are grown and you don't want a park or playground built nearby. If your houses are sets of townhouses with 5 bedrooms, your main buying clientele will be families with young children, and the park will be a huge bonus point.

Maybe you can ask for ways they can make it less of an environmental impact - from the noise point of view. Big trees, fenced off, and like others have mentioned, a locked gate so it doesn't get abused at night. Hey, when we were teenagers it was much better to party in the woods to avoid the cops...but I guess here they are allowed to drink at those ages so they don't have to hide as much?

Of course, I have 3 small children, so I would love to have a park close-by - and I can understand your sentiment that you would rather not have one, but I think where you live is dominated by families. Just a question - do some of the families with children also not want the park nearby?

True that. I wonder, though, how would middle life crisis striken, adrenalin seeking peson act, or anxiety stricken aging person, same thing. I do not think teens deserve all this negative attention. They should have cops in those playground making sure the nuisance is not happening. Same rules, for everyone, no exceptions..It's not really 14-17 anymore though. It's before these days. By the time they are 16-17, they are out of it looks like. Life is getting faster and faster.

I think we were all kids at some point. Great to think we have all become old and grumpy and want to deny the kids some fresh air. I am not certain giving them a PS3 with some soldier attempting to blow the crap out of a city makes them cute.

Times have changed and playgrounds have advanced and become more interesting but as a kid I remember finding playgrounds boring and much prefering playing some other place, for example in the woods or in an abandoned farm that was down our road. My parents didn't like me to go there but my grandpa would take me sometimes. In the barn you could still smell the cows and there was still straw on the ground and my grandpa told me what the different implements were for and I imagined what it must have been like when it was still a working farm. Behind that there was a row of old greenhouses that were completely overgrown both inside and out and we went inside one. I don't think little kids could go into places like that any more for elfin safety reasons.

Not long after all those buildings were flattened and new homes built which I found very sad.

The documentary I was watching wasn't putting a negative slant on it; they were just showing the findings and going some way to explain why teenagers get such a bad rap.

14-17 year olds were the representative sample because the hormones are at their peak at this age and was also taking account of girls hitting this stage earlier than boys. Girls might possibly be coming out of it at 16-17, but boys? Nah.

I think the other issue is that they are suddenly armed with a lot of information and face "grown up" situations but don't have the emotional maturity, nor their hormones under control to react "appropriately".

Also, and in relation to this thread, I don't think there would be many middle aged adrenalin junkies hanging about on a kids' playground.

I know most of the kids in the neighbourhood as our house is on a busy road, which is also the school route and the dogs are often outside, tails wagging as the kids walk past. A lot of kids stop to talk to the dogs (and me). I think it would be nice if the kids had a playground, and other families think so too. The main concern is what it will turn into after hours. A lot of useful suggestions have been made here which we will put forward.

The area near the schools in the village since the Spring is a "Suchtmittelfreie Zone". This means that anyone using drugs, smoking , drinking alcohol or littering is subject to a fine of 100 chf. So the teenagers now congregate in the village centre where there are benches, and the garbage cans are overflowing the following morning with cans and bottles.

Will these teenagers take the time to walk to the proposed playground near our house? I really don't know but we would like to have it designated as a "Suchtmittelfreie Zone" which means it can be patrolled and fines issued.

The other day I was speaking to a mom of teenagers who lives in our village and she said she is very grateful her children are very involved in sports which not only keeps them busy but tires them out.

Are you sure about that?

mimi1981, I should have been clearer. The main concern raised by those who have posted seems to be the potential problems caused by teenagers.

Our issue was mainly with noise. We have enough now. On the other side of our house there are 4 apartment buildings, with a lot of land and a playground, for the use by the tenants. The rest of the street includes houses and farms. Both houses across the road from us have gardens and trampolines and the noise from 7 kids can be unbearable. I know all their names because they yell them so much .

As I said, even with all our pets we are the quieter ones. We weren't looking for a quiet neighbourhood but I think we have the other extreme.

The deadline for anyone to file an objection is September 16th so we will see what happens after that.

I was only teasing Mrs D

I've heard that land which contains heavy metals might be unsuitable for the construction of a playground.

Do you have an old mercury thermometer kicking around your house?

After my husband's family lived next to a horrid neighbour who tormented them for years they were delighted to find a house next to an empty plot with a kid's playground because it meant one less neighbour

The do get teenagers hanging out every now and then and they had their garage wall tagged once or twice until they got it covered with ivy.

The best bonus for them as oldies is free light from the park - they can walk around at night without switching on a light on.

They love living next to the park and even rebuilt their dream house on the same plot.

Something I hadn't thought of. The farmers put their cows on the land next to it, and they seem fine. What I have learned yesterday is the land belongs to a relative of my neighbour over the road. He also received the documents from the commune and never noticed the owner. He is rather intolerant of noise. He told me that the same kids were always sitting on the electrical box banging their legs against the metal doors. He complained to the parents which brought no solution so he wrote to the commune and they replied. "kids have rights to". He was furious.

I imagine he will be writing a letter. His land slopes and his house sits at the top, and he has discovered, noise travels up. He complained to me about the neighbours in the house on the other side of the playground who sit outside late at night in the summer and talk. They are a family of asylum seekers, they have been living here for about 2 years. My other neighbour found it very amusing and ironic that they also received a letter with the documents about the playground from the commune. But hey, they are direct neighbours, though I someohow doubt they will object.

After midnight or so, only certain street lights are on. Last year when they came by to check them they explained to me it is every 2nd light or so. I don't think they planned for any additional lighting at night as it is not supposed to be used when it is dark. Another point to mention. Thanks.

Yes, this playground thing sounds like a disaster. Based on other threads on the forum, the thing to do seems to be to buy a white, windowless van. Spend several hours driving it slowly to and fro in front of the playground, it helps to have the following character in mind, gets you into the zone...

I don't think a locked gate, and opening hours is going to deter the teens from jumping the fence. Unless it is 30 feet high with barbed wire on top.