advice on external hard drive

Connect the external HD, shift your info onto it, safely remove and store it in a drawer. Make some tea and relax

The problem with the 'backup to the hard drive in the draw' method is that it doesn't stop the backup hardware failing/house burning down scenarios. I can't tell you the number of times I have been asked to check companies and private individuals backup systems and found the tapes/CDs/hard drives on a shelf above the system being backed up. A simple electrical fire/leaking bathroom in your house/apartment or your neighbours' and you have lost everything.

If you make physical backups, store them somewhere other than your house (e.g. friend/relative/bank vault), preferably 100+ miles away (as victims of Hurricane Katrina found out). With CDs, DVDs you can just post them.

If you just want a backup and forget system, use an automated online backup system such as www.carbonite.com or http://www.swissvault.org and let someone else worry about such problems.

1. Western Digital makes one called mirror edition with USB 2.0 interface that might fit your needs ( http://www.toppreise.ch/prod_145058.html ). It has two 500GB/1TB disks and you can operate it in RAID 1 (means everything is mirrored and if one disk fails you still have a working drive), but total capacity is then only half. A good free software tool is Synctoy 2 from Microsoft where you can define left and right folders on your PC and external drives and all files can be duplicated each time you run it. After first run only changed files will be rewritten on external drive.

2. If one of the drives in that setup fails, do a backup somewhere else first before anything. Manufacturing defects which make whole batches of drives useless are known to bring servers down!

3. There are free services for online backups for upto 5GB from Microsoft etc.

4. One can go totally paranoid and do backups on servers in different continents (one in US, one in Australia, one in China etc).

50GB online here

Been using it for 2 years for a portal.

Thanks for the link. How would a dummy - such as myself - recognise any negative elements to using this service?

(Not dissing it, just would like to be aware of downsides )

Most common risks for this kind of service are:

1) Service goes out of business

2) Online backups can take a very long time to restore over a DSL connection (think days for 50GB)

3) Backup service doesn't actually restore properly. More common than you would think. A backup isn't a backup until you can prove that you can restore it...

Best approach is to have both a local hard drive backup and online backup in the hope/assumption that both don't disappear simultanously.

A Gmail account can be used as a worst case scenario backup. 7 Gigs each and there are programs out there that can map the email account as a network folder.

I would also use simple mirroring rather than RAID as RAID devices are dependant on specific hardware/software for rebuilding the data (if the Raid controller fails, your data may not be readable any more). A mirrored disc needs no recovery at all when his brother dies

SyncBack from 2Bright Sparks is excellent for these purposes.

You guys... are so nerdy.

Thank you.

.. snort

I tend to call it.... "knowledged in my job"

I'm confused too. Why aren't DVDs a good long term backup? Pardon my ignorance, but I have heard of HDs crashing, but DVDs don't crash....

Hi Sally,

How many pics do you have?

You can but 4GByte and possibly 8GByte memory sticks. You can get a lot of pics on those and they are small, reliable, cheap and use no power. You can also plug them into digital picture frames.

Good luck Jim Fuller

The answer can be googled or wiki'ed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical...gies#Longevity

scroll to bottom.

Some cd/dvd medias last only 10 years, less if in sun or other decaying areas.

Err, that is a heck of a lot longer than any other method except tapes and paper. How many functioning 10 year old hard drives do you have? Buy archive grade DVDs and store them properly and they will last decades.

Ehh?

Longer than any other method? Floppy disks last 10+ unless by a magnet.. optical storage was supposed to be "lifetime"

10 year hard drives? I have lots.

As I said, leave them in the sun or other inclimate conditions, they will fail to be read. You can buy archive DVD's at Media Markt? And any sales rep can sell you these? (or identify for that matter)

Well, I wouldn't trust any important data to 10 year old magnetic media of any type other than backup tape. I have plenty of dead 10, 15 and 20 year old drives and floppies that have been stored in archive conditions. What tends to happen with hard drives that have been switched off for several years is that the heads stick to the platter and are then ripped off when they spin up. With floppies, the shutter springs (on 3.5 inch ones) snap and take the head off the drive. Magnetic tape is generally the best proven long term storage method but not generally available. Archive quality DVD+Rs from someone like http://www.mam-a.com/ are readily available (online, not in Media Markt I will agree) and are the best compromise for a consumer who can not afford a tape drive or to keep the data on constantly spinning and refreshed hard drives.

Ok the reason DVD's are not a good long term backup is that the way they are created is not permanent.

DVD's created by manufacturers for movies / Software etc are created using a moulding technology.

DVD's you use to burn data onto use dye's. Which when hit with a laser change to represent the data you are burning. Now just as an analogy think of when you buy some piece of clothing it is dyed to be a particular colour. Now even if left unwashed (yuck) the dye will eventually fade. The same happens to DVD's you burn.

Also they are relatively easy to get damaged.

You have to look at how important your data is to you and devise your own backup strategy for your requirements. Ask yourself how you would feel if you lost those precious photos.

For me having two hard drives with a copy each of my photo's, videos and documents is sufficient with occasional DVD backup just in case. Then again I usually change machines every two years so the chance of a hard disk crash is unlikely in that time and I normally have the second disk just as a spare and DVD's as a third option.

External hard drives are very cheap now, from £74.99 for 1TB on Amazon UK for instance. I have one external hard drive for back-ups at present. Using a second one and alternating the back ups between them seems to be a sensible idea.

At present I use Windows Live OneCare Back Up. If there are, potentially, problems restoring files, would it be better to copy pictures and documents etc. onto a separate disc? These should be easy to copy back, whatever changes happen elsewhere.

Of course there are places on the internet that will offer you backup of you files. Some for free although not much space or you have to accept adverts. Then again you can use a pay service. Where all your files are backed up for you and yu can access them securely from anywhere on the internet. This reduces the requirement for you to have additional hardware and supposedly that warm fuzzy feeling that your files are safe.

Although all it takes is one dodgy administrator or a decent hacker and you files are anybodies. Although with the size of the internet it's not likely to happen unless you have something unusually interesting saved.

Have you packed these with moisture absorbing material (sacs) and sealed? Try it out.

I do agree with your "heads locking onto platters". Most people claiming DOA pcs have been stored for 6+ months (only... ) One good reason to remove the HDD after cooling, wrap it and seal it in a freezer bag.

Maybe I'll try the freezer bag thing and let you know the results in 20 years time :-). Seriously though, we use climate controlled storage and of course all the data on drives going into storage is taken off onto tapes which are refreshed every 5 years. We use the data from the tapes (stored in this kind of monster: [ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/common/ss...D00872USEN.PDF](ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/common/ssi/pm/sp/n/tsd00872usen/TSD00872USEN.PDF) ) rather than relying on the old drives.

The OP wanted advice on backing up their photos. For most consumers, the most practical advice is:

1) Buy an external hard drive (preferably with RAID1) which has drives with at least a 5 year warranty (a lot of the consumer stuff is 3 years or even 1 year which should tell you everything you need to know about their reliability). Replace this drive every two years - you'll probably want to anyway as you will probably fill it up in this time.

2) Use an online backup service such as www.carbonite.com which will automatically back your files up off site every day without you having to remember to do anything. Most people who only buy 1), use it every day or once a week for the first month and then once a month or once a year after that if they remember.

3) Burn backups onto archive quality optical media (DVD or Blu-Ray) at least once a year (better still every 3 months). Post alternate backups to a friend/relative/bank vault at least 100 miles away.