after 1,5 years searching I don't have a job in Switzerland

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You have PM.

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You're not the only one in such a bleak situation. You obviously have to try all the things that people recommend: adapt cv, networking, apply for a wider variety of jobs. Sadly in todays competitive market none are guaranteed to work. If you are out of work for 18 months then that will also count against you. Are you enrolled with the chomage? They might be able to offer some advices or offer you a stage where you can acquire new skills. Have you considered trying to get a small wage unskilled job? Failing that have you contemplated leaving Switzerland to somewhere else where both you and your wife have an increased chance of finding jobs?

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To move is expensive and anyway where i would go i will not have the guarantee to have work for both.I think the bleack situation is everywhere,at least here my wife has a job she love.

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Hmmm... I never had any problems getting any job anywhere and don't think that's the case tbh. If your paper work is ok there is no problems getting any well paid job

Over a year ago, I got headhunted from some agency in EU country while living in another EU country asking me if I would move to Switzerland. Discussed it with my other half and said yes. 6 weeks later I turned up for work. Didn't like it very much and quit after 6 months. Decided it was time to hit the slopes over the winter period, and the phone rang just as I was in the mind set to go skiing. Landed another job effortless where I have now been for a good few months now. Oh, both my French and German is brutal and I would not hire me based on that alone

Basically, there is no problem finding a job (jobs seems to find me for some reason) as long as you don't aim too high.

Also, there is no such thing as being over qualified for any job IMHO. If someone knows what they are applying for, the job is good enough for that person as (s)he otherwise wouldn't apply right? We all have our reasons for applying for certain positions and has nothing to do with being over qualified. Maybe someone have a need/want in life to mind children even though they might be rocket scientists... Mind set is what it comes down to.

I have a MSc. in Geo Sciences with the supplement of a Business School degree but don't work with what I'm trained to do at all. What I'm saying is to be open as your qualifications may open other doors you never thought of.

One of my professors at Uni said as the very first thing when he came to our first lecture: "65% of you will never work with what you have signed up to study"... He was right

Oh, you also need (as said before) review and revise your CV. Check out local recruitment web sites on how a CV is constructed in this country. It is very different from what you have in the Nordics, UK/IRE and even France.

This said, may I ask where you got your Masters from?

I, of course, wish you the best of luck in the world as I guess it can't be nice having been unemployed for such a long time. Oh, one more tip. Generally, companies don't like to see large gaps of non working periods unless you you can show for it (i.e. school, travel, life enrichment etc). I took a year off from everything with my other half and spent it doing as little as possible in Paris...

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Frank2K, what line of work are you in? Maybe the OP could try that.

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Unfortunately it's Finance

Having a business degree in addition to whatever you are trained for will open a lot of doors... Even a few certificates or Diplomas will help a lot

Another thing that I think is very important these days is to have been working for multi-national companies (anything from SMB to Corps) for a period of time. As the work place is becoming more and more globalized you must be able to prove the ability to work with people across different cultures and backgrounds. I'm lucky in that sense as I haven't lived in my birth country (one of the Nordics) for the past 20 odd years and never been longer than 5 years in one work place at a time.

It has worked for me so some luck is also to be taken into consideration...

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After almost 2 years looking for a IT job in Switzerland without results, i decided to have a try in England?What do you think,I'm asking for people that know the situation there.I hope to find from companies there more respect for people,kind of thing, here in Switzerland I've never found and above all I hope to find more jobs.Here it's impossible.Any advices?

Thanks guys

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Take a look at:

http://www.jobstats.co.uk/:

This will give some indication of the demand in your field.

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Send me your CV if you want some advice.

I have retired now, but I used to be an IT contractor (SAN/NAS)

Good Luck

Anil

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Hey!

I have written something similiar in another recent thread, you may also benefit;

Taking the time to get the CV right is absolutely crucial, a few points that many miss when writing their resume;

Do you have the right format/layout for Switzerland, each country has a different format?

Do you have all the information required on your CV and are you selling your skills and experience enough?

Does the CV read well?

If you don't have the right "key words" in a CV then your CV may not be picked up by recruiters going into job site search engines. (if you have used them as a medium) Some large organisations also have a database of candidates that have applied for posts, so this would also apply to their systems.

It would be worth seeing an agency recruiter to get some advice and any other advice they can give you, it can make a huge difference!

Being out of work for so long may also be an issue particularly in the IT field, companies tend to prefer candidates with recent/up to date market experience. Please PM me if you would like some advice as to how to get around this hurdle.

Did you get through to any interview stages in this time and how did they go?

Again PM me if you prefer to discuss that way and I can advise....

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Where there is life, there is hope. Life it isn't meant to be a bed of roses, but a war field, so we shouldn't be surprised when we are getting shot at.

Every single person has the potential to get better at something if they try long enough at it. This is a wonderful capability.

Here's the story of the donkey who fell into a well, to refresh your memory.

One day a farmer's donkey fell down into a well. The animal cried piteously for hours as the farmer tried to figure out what to do. Finally, he decided the animal was old and the well needed to be covered up any way, so it just wasn't worth it to retrieve the

donkey.

He invited all his neighbors to come over and help him. They all grabbed a shovel and began to shovel dirt into the well. At first, the donkey realized what was happening and cried horribly. Then, to everyone's amazement, he quieted down. A few shovel

loads later, the farmer finally looked down the well and was astonished at what he saw. With every shovel of dirt that hit his back, the donkey was doing something amazing. He would shake it off and take a step up.

As the farmer's neighbors continued to shovel dirt on top of the animal, he would shake it off and take a step up. Pretty soon, everyone was amazed as the donkey stepped up over the edge of the well and trotted off!

Life is going to shovel dirt on you, all kinds of dirt. The trick to getting out of the well is to shake it off and take a step up. Each of our challenges can be a stepping stone. We can get out of the deepest wells by not stopping, never giving up! Shake it off

and take a step up!

Incidentally, Winston Churchill reminded one audience never to give up, during war time, when things didn't look bright at all for Britain.

What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.

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love the story...tho the down side to this quick remedy is a well full of dirt and needs to be emptied so it is useful for drinking water again lol

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Does sound better though than their expected outcome: which was a well full of dirt with a dead donkey in it.

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I am very sorry for what I am going to say, but... for an IT professional not to be able to find a job in IT industry for 2 years... Well, coming from the same industry, I simply can't put this together. I am sorry, but it feels as if either you haven't been keen and active enough on finding yourself a job OR you simply can't present yourself well to make yourself more attractive for potential employers.

No offense. It is just that I am just really surprised about you story.

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Perhaps you can offer some constructive advice that will help the OP?

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I have been active and updated because i work sometimes all this period in my country for short period but in French Switzerland there are not jobs anymore.An HR in Lausanne told me that for a IT position, he received more than 1 hundred CVs.2 years ago it was very easy but now it's almost impossible.I'm writing here now to have your opinion about the difference with work situation in UK.I sent some resumes there and i received very good feedback and i found very available and polite people.

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i would consider to move to Ireland, I have lived there for 7 years and I know the IT job market pretty well.

The economy was hit badly by the crisis, but there is still plenty of IT jobs over there and lots of IT giants have their European HQs there (Google, Facebook, Apple, HP, etc..).

Look at www.exp.ie

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Thank you for your helpfull advice,do you think in Ireland there are more jobs than in England,if yes in which town do you suggest me to look for?

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You should look mainly for Dublin, then Cork.

I believe there is a fair amount of jobs there, not sure if more than in UK.

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Do you think i could be hired without staying there but with an interview by skype or by phone?

thanks

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ehmm.... I am not the one hiring, so I dunno the answer, but I believe you can send your cv, then have an initial call and at the end a face to face interview would be needed.