Bathroom renovation - how long is a piece of string!

It will to the heating bill as tile over tile means the heat is blocked and the room/dwelling is cooler, which means the heating gets turned up, bumping up the bill.

Do you mean if you have underfloor heating? Which we don't- having tile over tile will improve insulation, surely?

Yes of course, this was only in reference to a room or dwelling with underfloor heating (pipes).

Our house dates from the 16C lol. But we do have radiators

Ours only from the 18c, it was a wellness resort around a natural mineral water spring that now feeds a fountain in our garden.

With hot mineral water- your own natural jakuzzi- wow!

I have had to shell out for a real one and gt to heat it.

Tiles have a high thermal conductivity - which is why they are used on the outside of Kachelofens. They conduct heat well.

So no, they won't do much for insulation!

Indeed, we've just replaced the flooring in the room which was previously quite chilly compared to the rest of the flat (because of the ridiculous situation of laminate over carpet) - we've since been able to lower the thermostat.

If you are replacing old tiles from 60s, 70s or 80s, there is a strong possibility that there will be asbestos in the glue and you will need to get them removed by an approved company.

As said, we intend to retile on top- and were wondering (no idea there) if we could include a layer of insulation in between. That bedroom is on first floor, above the utility, and with 2 outside walls (mind you, our stone walls are 90cm thick).

I promised an update but honestly am losing motivation.

We liked the Obi products and prices so we took advantage of their offer of free bathroom planning. We booked a one hour appointment and there had a good discussion which actually ran to one and a half hours. They sent us a detailed estimate including everything we would need.

They were also supposed to send us a 3D picture of how our bathroom would look. After a month this has still not arrived despite some reminders, they say it is a technical glitch.

Obi also gave us the names of three people who could do the installation in Switzerland. We phoned them and one was not interested another now only does tiling. The third was a Swiss guy who visited us the same day we phoned, measured up our bathroom and promised to give a written estimate. It is a month later and no estimate has arrived.

Now I have ordered a new toilet and cistern (the sanitärmodule type) from Bernstein and plan to install myself. It seems simple as they have detailed instructions including an English version.

Next steps after that are still open/undecided.

Tiling on top of tiles? Sounds insane to me. Sure, probably cheaper and faster, but if you are doing a small area why not do it the proper way... Especially if it's your own house. Likelihood of cracks or the new tiling job lasting just a few years wouldn't surprise me. Sounds like a cheap saving that will cost bigly in the future.

Saw someone spent an eyewatering 25k and yet tiled on existing tiles

Laying backer board will make your surface sturdy and ready to take on the tiles. It should be a no brainer and taking a chisel and breaking the old tiles will take you a day with the backer board covering any potential issues underneath the existing tiles. Even for the flats am doing up for sale in London at the moment I am using backer board by respect to the future buyer. Who knows how the old tiles were laid as well! Tiles on concrete might be the only time where I might be ok without backer board, but then need to make sure the concrete has no potential moisture issues etc... that needs special care. I don't even tile or am a professional, but that just sounds like common sense.

For OP. The initial quote sounds like a F. U. quote. You get those when trades people are particularly busy and have a full order book. They don't want the job, but there is a price at which they'll do it, which is the quote they gave you IMO.

I am not a Swiss nor have I done work in this country. Just bought a house in Geneva and will start demolishing it and trying to figure out the system so I've started my learning process. This type of threads is extremely useful for me to start understanding the landscape.

The biggest problem here when removing old tiles is the asbestos risk.

Lucky that with covid I have a stash of masks to do the removal myself

An extra 10k to put new tiles on a bathroom floor... Now I absolutely understand the motivation about laying on old tile. Ignore my previous comment, I'd do the same if I had to cough out that much.

My only experience with Obi in Germany was buying glass shower enclosures and they have an installer in Switzerland who they work with for the installation. This was less costly than buying the doors in Switzerland. The installer was excellent. He actually found a problem with the measurements of the door Obi sold us and then we had an argument with the manufacturer and Obi over an extra fee for a "non standard " size. The mistake was Obi's but we had to pay a significant extra charge. For one bathroom we used a plumber from Germany to install a folding glass panel on a bathtub so it could be used as a shower. It was a lot simpler than working with Obi.

We did a partial renovation of 2 bathrooms using a local Swiss plumber. We had a lot of issues with the quality of the work. When we chose to add another bathroom we used a different plumber and arranged all the tradespeople ourselves. I found the tiles I liked and bought them directly as they were on sale. Same with the glass shower cabinet. It was a hassle as you have to carefully coordinate who does what when but the final result was really nice and worth the aggravation. We were living very close to the German border at the time but we used all Swiss tradespeople. All the names initially given to me by Obi were totally unreliable. Never showed up for a quote and complained about where we were located.

Has anyone tried the services which hornbach provide for tradesmen?

Which services?

they provide local tradespeople for various jobs such as tiling and floor laying. I believe they have a set price for their work. I’ve was going to use them for fitting some new door and frames which had a sheet with a pricing

For 35k we moved a WC and taps to wall plus built an internal wall to make it smaller and a walk-in wardrobe. Fittings were Grohe/Talsee/pull out double drawer vanity and Kaldewei bath. Much less for cheaper fittings. Look at bathroom shops that get discounts on fittings and pass these on. They could get everything for less than I saw on the .de websites.