I'm not sure people who have penises drive Korean jeeps....
What I don't understand is why penis size or education ever comes into these threads at all... can't people just but the car they want to without that sort or criticism?
its a vw with a porsche badge, do a search on the net about them, they can't really do off road, and they aint too great on road, you'll have porsche size repair bills for vw parts. does it still have a porsche warrante? if so is it still vaild? (its very very restrictive what you can do to the car to keep the extended warantee)
The prices have tanked on 2nd hand Cayenne's, they are big, thirsty, highest tax bracket and thousands of them around.
But if you want it just to say 'hey I have a porsche' (but 911 drivers WILL laugh at you) then fair play, go ahead.
Personally I'd spend the money on a 2nd hand Toyota Landcruiser.
According so someone I know in the business, the second-hand car business is currently saturated with used Porsche Cayennes.
Lots are refusing to take anymore.
This is good if you're buying second-hand and want a bargain. It's bad if you are trying to sell.
Buy if you like the look of it and the drive.
same in the uk, have a look at the prices they are making at auction, a hell of a lot of car for not a lot of money (if you can live with the looks and the footballers wife image)
While I agree to your point for this forum, I find the arguments interesting to read: They do not reflect and insight in technical problems of a car, but the image is not too unimportant. Even if you are completely unemotional and absolutely do not care what others think about your car: Latest at the point you want to sell it again you need to deal with other peoples' opinions. The OP recognized that the car is unusually cheap based on the new price and the "normal" depreciation - so the question is now if there are technical reasons why people avoid them or pure emotional ones. I think the penis comments showed that there are more emotional resentments against Cayennes than technical reasons not to buy one - so they were in fact unintenionally on-topic and might have helped the OP to go for his dream car.
I find Cayennes butt ugly, so I would not buy one - many people seem to think so and this makes the car cheaper for him... a good deal if you plan to keep it for some time and do calculate into it that you will not be able to sell it quickly again.
Yes of course people can buy whatever car they want, but in this day & age, if they are considering a 2 ton 4.8 litre, V8 lump of utter posing pointlessness, then no, I don't think they can be exempt from criticism.
Hopefully the potential buyer might see beyond their own desire & think about the bigger picture a little more.
Or at least spend the money on a proper Porsche
Good points
My comment was intended to highlight the absurd difference in prices between brand new and 2nd hand. As well as the Chelsea tractor/Hausfraupanzer/Porsche mentality.
As for value for money, reliability etc: check other web sites to see what they say.
Honest John (surprisingly positive for this site)
Should you take the unneccessary aesthetic criticism on board OP, I'm happy to sell you my Cayman S (only 24,000km!) instead!
of course, if your buying it with your own money (ie no lease etc) and you get it serviced at a local garage (or do it yourself), keeping well away from porsche dealers - assuming it doesn't have any porsche warantee's left then its a bargain. 100k km is nothing for an engine like that.
only thing I would check with the seller is has it been towing anything big? 100k km towing a huge boat and I wouldn't touch it
if your looking to lease it, or keep the porsche warantee then I wouldn't touch it either.
also check the obvious like service history, and when its next major service is due, eg Cambelts, if they are due to be replaced (either by time or milage) then thats going to be a very big bill. Also things like brake discs, do they need replacing? did it have the ceramic disc's etc etc
usually things are cheap for a reason
Jealousy has a lot to do with it I think. People drive past in a Porsche, Lambo, M3, whatever and someone points out something like the driver being a tosser, or knob size or "single sad bastard". In fact if he or she stopped, got out and said "tell you what mate, I've actually got this spare, do you want it ?" they would be dribbling and jumping like a little puppy to get in and have a go.
I would buy one, cant really understand why everyone hates them?
why not hate the audi q7 or the bmw x5 instead? I think maybe as it has a porsche badge on it a littel spot of jealously pops up...
A Porsche Cayenne is an Audi Q7.
Everyone know BMW drivers are w4nkers anway. Especially the X5 idiot parked next to me in my garage.
To the OP: even though you can now buy a 150000 chf car for 38000 chf, the replacement parts and service costs will be those of the 150000chf car...
This is why I didn't spend my 45k on a second hand SL500 (I was so tempted) but on a nice new B180CDI.
Well said and factual. Would double suggest checking the whole suspension for wear, bushings, shocks and joints. On a large, heavy car like the Cayenne, suspension wear will get you in trouble faster than anything else.
The old jealously thing is a tediously unimaginative & unoriginal card to play with regard to SUV's. Sorry.
People object to them because they are genuinely pointless vehicles (all of them - X5's Q7's RR sports, etc etc) that use a ridiculous amount of resources proportional to where/what they are used for.
Pointless because they are too expensive for most buyers with a genuine need for the off road capibilities of them. (X5 not included, as it's even rubbish at that too).
Pointless because the off road capabilities of them will never ever be used by 99% of the people who can afford them & doubly pointless because the fall back argument of "practical family car" is bollocks too. The X5 & the Cayenne have a laughable amount of space inside - You get far more practical interior space in a normal Audi/BMW/Merc etc etc estate.
In other words they are a extemely selfish choice of car & that's what I think other people find objectionable at the end of the day.
Anyway, there are a 1000 pages a click away going over all this.
Fortunately you haven't directly asked what people think of the car so I can keep my opinion to myself, but each to their own, and if you like it, go for it.
However, you did ask about low price catches.
When looking at cars that are really cheap, I'd consider the following:
1. SCAMS
If there is any indication of an 'upfront' payment of any form..... walk away.
Generally this is phrased as "oh, I'm leaving my husband and just want to sell" or
"There are other people looking, but if you send a deposit now I can hold it for you".
It won't be much, but it is still money lost...... then later you will see a similar ad.
Oh, and don't be fooled by a photo, they just take a photo of whatever car on the street and post it.
(This was pretty big in Sydney)
2.ACCIDENT
I don't know if it's possible here, but if you see the vehicle, take the VIN number or Engine number.... or whatever the hell Euro's do to identify a registered car. There is usually a way to see if the car has been in a serious accident.
Look for uniformity in the gaps in the panels, if you can see that the gap changes a bit, panels have been removed by someone dodgey.
... or at least just ask, and watch for classic body language.(no eye contact, pausing and looking up and to the left before responding etc.).
3. OK, I have NFI about Euro cars, but
SCHEDULED MAITENANCE - Consult a mechanic
I'm assuming there will be a maitenance log book, so best to see a Porche mechanic and ask when the major services occur on the make of vehicle you are looking for.
eg. On a real 4WD (sorry, just can't help myself) a Toyota Landcruiser generally has a major service and change of the timing belt at around 150,000km, hence why a few sales occur prior to this period.
Good luck with the purchase.... it's always "Buyer Beware" so do your homework.
no it isnt unless by that you mean it has 4 wheels and you can drive it.
this kind of makes your points all invalid...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswa..._PL71_platform
Same platform but different body panels and badge.
You really are paying a "Porsche" premium for a Cayenne.
Many "different" cars are similar underneath. Most mainstream manufacturers share platforms somewhere as well as engines.
The chance that I would buy myself an x5 or q7 are even smaller than a cayenne. For me, this has little to do with jealousy - otherwise I would really need to hate the 911, Ferraris and Lambos in Zurich as well. I am just very annoyed when
- I come back into a parking and my car is so cornered in by two SUV that I have to do some sort of yoga to get into it. Happens easily once a week if you park in the inner city.
- The lady with her Cayenne in front of me simply does not want to accept that the car will never ever fit into the tight spot she has chosen. It is physically impossible, Michael Schumacher could not park it there either... but she will give it a try... or ten tries... creating nice traffic jam all the way down the Sihlcity "Einfahrt"...
So for me it is absolutely not the money spent... I actually like to see nice things around me and could not care less if I can afford it or not. The form factor of oversized SUVs in combination with city traffic is what annoys me. (Others bring up the green arguments, but then they typically drive a 20yr old stinker on Euro2 ... or have dogs )
Yes and no: The same platform can still deliver very different cars. I used to have a 1st Gen TT - it was the same platform as many Audis, Seat, Skoda and Volkswagen. Most engine parts were shared as well. It still drove very differenly from a Skoda.
If you have to compare the Porsche, it is really nearly the same as a Touareg. They share more and were a joint development project.