Car vs Public Transport Convenience vs Cost

I was thinking about modern technology:
Manufacturers use hybrid rubber blends mixed with high-dispersion silica and specialized antidegradants. These materials resist heat, wear, and oxidation better than older formulas. [1, 2]

Some sources claim tires should be inspected for aging after six years and definitely changed after ten, of course, tread wear should be checked more often.

Michelin says ten years.

I used to often work in Geneva for a day, however I needed to start by 8.00 in the morning & may well not finish by 21.00 or even later so no possibility of using public transport. For the avoidance of doubt I needed to travel to ZHB & From Geneva main station to the place I was working from.

Then the tax deduction now CHF 0.75 x 554 = 415.

Winter tyres lose grip after 5 due to the hardening of rubber

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Last time I took a car for the Swiss test my tires were very old but there was no comment on them although they did check them.

Nothing is mandated in law so unless the tyres are badly cracked, they will be ignored.

It is worth physically checking if the tread has hardened, some factors like always storing your car in an underground garage can extend the life.

Here is a test of an 8 year old winter tire which did surprisingly well, in some tests better than some new ones.

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And the people waiting for them and the people waiting for the people waiting for them, the unused resources due to the waiting time and so on. The damage is enormous. This problem would disappear in the blink of an eye with road pricing high enough.

I don’t do links or statistics any longer, just ask your favorite AI. Don’t bother posting it here, we all know how to do that…

I can only talk about the region between Geneva and Canton Vaud and here trains easily have 3 to 5 suppressions/delays/accidents per week, whether it is Geneva-Lausanne, Lausanne-Fribourg or Bern or the more local links, the whole infrastructure is at breaking point and every project takes 10+ years once approved… These problems are big enough to be on 20 minutes, many during peak hours.

Here if you look at the car plates on the highway, there are more french plates than swiss, they are not on vacation, they come for work. Most of the traffic is not something you can easily shift to other transportations or other hours.

How anybody can think that dynamic road pricing can solve the problem is beyond my understanding, unless this is just looking for extra money and nothing else

Sorry, I am a private car owner. My neighbour who is out of job just drives me wherever I want.

“How anybody can think that dynamic road pricing can solve the problem is beyond my understanding, unless this is just looking for extra money and nothing else”
You just answered the question yourself. Getting stuck in congestion does not seem to deter most drivers. Being forced to fork out some cash directly does.

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This would be a pure money grab with no results, as I said many/most of the drivers are work related, so they’ll just keep driving

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Not if it is expensive enough.

They’ll need to significantly improve public transport networks before work related driving reduces dramatically and that ain’t going to happen any time soon.
No amount of monetary penalty is going to stop people from using their vehicle for their job.

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Of course, people will keep using their vehicles for their job. But not everyone between 7h30 and 9h00.

Exactly. And also true of necessary but not work related travel.

Until public transportation can get me where I need to be, when I need to be there, within a reasonable travel time, allowing for my particualr needs, I have no choice but to continue driving.

It might be hard for those of you who live in cities to grasp, but public transportation simply does not work for some of us living in areas that are not as well served.

A city person might have to wait 10 minutes for a tram. I have to wait an hour, and more often two, for a train that only gets me half way to my destination. Without a car I’d spend all day trying to run a few short errands.

I simply do not have the luxury of wasting that kind of time.

One needs to accept that Swiss public transportation, as excellent as it is, can’t be the only option. Where it works, it is world class. And when it makes sense to use it, I do. But it doesn’t work everywhere, for every need.

Before you advocate for punishing car drivers, you have to stop looking at public transportation with rose colored glasses and understand where, and for who, it falls short. You’d have to provide an alternative that works in all cases, all the time. Which would be prohibitively expensive, and probably logistically impossible. But understand that until you’ve built that utopia, some people will always have to drive.

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Agreed, the Swiss public transport system in one of the best in the world, but it does not work for everyone. There is also a psychological aspect. I love not having to look what time of day it is. I always take a book and ear buds for music. I can relax, maybe talk to fellow travellers. Maybe not. Car drivers I talk to often have a problem getting on a bus - everyone to their own.

Agree. It cant, you simply cant cram more trains into the Network, you cant simply lay down more Track, You cant indefinatly expand the Infrastructure to accomodate more and more people.
Munich is trying to with the second „Stammstrecke“ and already the cost overrun is astronomical and the opening Date pushed back 10 years to around 2040 and that is only in Munich.

Yes, because people can choose their working times at will

You’re right, employees don’t choose their working schedules. But, if accounting at the employer says the white van does not move before 9h00, the van will not move. The law says standard day and evening hours are from 6h00 to 22h00. Plenty of manual work can be done until 22h00 without higher costs and provided a jackhammer is not used.

Or the plumber will just say, if you want me to be at 8h00 at your place, add congestion pricing to the mobilization costs. So, final customers also have a say on this.