I am Non EU with 5 and a half years in Switzerland on B permit(first 3.5 years on student B and recent 2 years on normal B (work permit)).
Checked out the posts on this forum, and I see almost all people got there early C permit, provided that they have a job and other conditions also met, like the language, no debt, no criminal record and no social welfare dependence. I am wondering is anyone know or have the experience that with all these conditions met, what the chance of getting rejected with the early C permit application? Because the early C is not guaranteed but I rarely hear a case with all conditions met that got refused in the end.
I handed in my application last week, and now waiting for the result. And in the meanwhile I just got a bit anxious about my application. For Non EU a C permit will make a huge difference.
I was in a similar situation and I got my C permit without issues. As long as you fulfill the conditions (no debt, no social wellfare, no criminal record) as well as the language requirements (the need for a certificate depends on the language of your studies in CH) there shouldn't be any issue.
The time the process will take is highly variable though
It is not guaranteed, but they cannot nilly willy deny it.
If you check all the boxes you will get your early C.
PS: Not all EU-citizens have an automatic right for an early C. It is only a group selected countries (some of them non-EU) which each have individually a bilateral agreement with Switzerland.
That's two different things. Bilateral agreements with some EU and a few non-EU countries make the normal wait-time 5 years instead of 10. The anticipated C-permit on the other hand is not based on treaties but purely on the applicant's integration, and has tighter integration requirements — that is available precisely to the people from countries without bilateral agreements.
In canton Vaud/Waadt the practice 5 years ago was, according to a clerk in the immigration office of a commune I live in that the good earners obtained it easily and the low earners didn't. Same stories from some anectodal accounts.
Sure. I don't know what word they would use in the English version of the directives if there was one. In French they use "autorisation d'établissement anticipée" for the fast-track C. My point was that it's clear from the directives that there's a distinction between the 5-year C permit in case of bilateral agreements, and the 5-year "fast-track" C permit.
Yeap, that was my personal experience as well. I handed the paperwork, and after a few weeks we got it. No questions asked. So everyone else I know that did it in the same way.
No, you linked to the English version of the law. The "Directives" are the much more detailed explanations for bureaucrats on how to apply the law. Those provide a much clearer picture, but are available only in French, German and Italian.
I'm in similar boat as you. Were your 3.5 years on student B permit PhD or non-PhD level ? I read that one of the conditions for fast track C is the full time employment in the last 5 years, which I don't know if being student could be qualified for.
The directives (linked in the post above yours, in French, German or Italian) list the same time requirements as the non-fast track C (bilateral agreement) and the last 5 years of the normal 10 year wait:
-5 years with a B permit;
-Years as a student normally don't count;
-Years as a student DO count if followed immediately by at least 2 years with a B permit or a "long-term" L permit (e.g. in case of permanent employment)
I understand that part. In this document from Zurich Kanton, it says on paragraph 5.3 page 16
My interpretation is, if one is on student B permit for 3 years, follows by 2 years of long-term B/L permit, he/she is still not qualified due to lack of 5 years of permanent employment.
In conclusion, you can get an early C based on good integration after 2 years of work after graduation, and total 5 years on permit B. Even a temporary job seeker permit L is not an issue.
I see. Slightly puzzling. That's of course a cantonal document so won't apply everywhere anyway, but my guess is they write that because the "normal" situation is people are here 5 years working and then get the C permit.
It would make no sense to specify that study years do count when followed by 2+ years with a normal permit if there was also a requirement of 5 years working, because then effectively there is no scenario where the study years actually count. Unless Zurich considers that your study years also only count if you had a job while studying, which would be pretty silly.