Dog Castration

I just thought I'd throw in my two cents for those who seem to think it's a cruel and difficult decision:

IT'S NOT YOUR BALLS !!!

Unless you're a breeder, or intend to breed your dog, there is no point in keeping it's reproductive potential.

I'm also sick of people who have an unwanted litter of kittens and puppies and cry out for the bleeding hearts of the world to take their problems away.

If you haven't caught up with the simple fact that a pet doesn't know or care if it is neutered or not, STOP HUMANISING IT and do what is best.

Still finding the decision difficult?

Then go and work in a pet shelter, or visit a country that has problem with stray cats and dogs and the decision will become a lot easier for you.

There have been a lot of studies popping up recently that recommends waiting until the dog is mature before castration. Castrating a dog too early may not only affect the bone growth of the dog, but his/her personality as estrogen and testosterone are important for brain and body development.

Another thing to ask regarding spaying/neutering is whether the dog is purely a family pet or a working dog. A working dog with a good lineage and clear of disease may be beneficial to the population.

Anyhow, ultimately it is your choice. I know that when we were considering castrating our dogs (both are currently intact) our vet told us he wouldn't even consider doing it before they were 1 year old.

This post is too aggressive, and will have the affect of a parent telling a child, no, you can't jump on my bed.

Yep, they're all over that bed.

I would dispute the fact that a pet does not know or care either. Not that they don't get over it mind.

It is a responsible act, for some, to do the castration. I wish we could apply this to humans as well though But it would inhumane

It is indeed a balancing act, JBZ.

Research points to both benefits and risks - the individual owner must understand what those are, and what the relative risks are, especially for his/her breed. The owner must also take into account his/her individual dog's temperament - and most importantly - the owner's ability to act responsibly at all times, and to never, ever allow an accidental mating nor to allow his/her dog to engage in behaviors that are disruptive to other animals or people.

It's a big ask. Responsible dog owners do it. But sadly, there are too many irresponsible owners out and about.

In the US and the UK neutering is the norm among responsible pet owners. Neutering has been promoted heavily by the veterinary and animal welfare community in the last many decades, largely because millions of healthy unwanted dogs are killed every year. For some reason - maybe the individualistic nature of the society, I don't quite know - there simply is not a culture of sufficient responsibility around dog ownership and dog breeding in too many parts of the population, hence the overpopulation crisis. Neutering addresses that.

In southern and eastern Europe neutering is not the norm. Nor is responsible dog ownership among a large part of the population. Dogs, pet and feral, are too often allowed to breed at will, and owners simply abandon the unwanted pups. Strays and ferals are left to die in the streets. Neutering of pets and catch and castrate of ferals is heavily promoted for this reason - inroads are being made, but the culture is is still resistant. Unfortunately, the culture (speaking very broadly here) is still also resistant to owners taking responsibility for their unneutered pets.

In contrast look at Scandanavia. Neutering is not the norm - yet there is almost no problem with strays or overpopulation. Why? The culture of ownership is different - owners take far more responsibility for their animals - and the law backs this up, and (unlike Switzerland) people actually do tend to follow laws. In an ideal world dog ownership would be closer to the Scandanavian model... but we are far from an ideal world.

Take what is happening in Switzerland now. How many threads have we seen where a dog owner simply refuses to acknowledge that he/she is responsible for his/her dog's actions and behaviors? Far too many. How many people here have refused to comply with the federal and cantonal training laws? Quite a few. Neutering is heavily promoted in Switzerland because the average dog owner simply will not take responsibility for his/her pet. This is changing, but slowly.

I'll say it again: If you choose to keep your dog entire, you bear a great responsibility. You must train your dog to a high standard - and you must never allow your dog to father an accidental litter. Which means, for the majority of dogs, never, ever, allowing a dog to fulfill it's sexual urges. Whether your dog can live happily that way is something an individual owner must decide.

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The health issues - benefits and risks - require careful study.A decision - whether or not to neuter, and when to neuter - must be made with the individual in mind.

None of my own dogs have suffered any ill effects from neutering - either behavioral or health wise.

As said before, none of my dogs should ever be bred from, based on health and temperament. Two possess a serious genetic defect, three possibly inheritable conditions; allowing these to be spread further in the population would be unconscionable.

The dogs who came to me as entire adults were suffering from enlarged prostates, and one had testicular cancer at the time I adopted them.

One of my dogs developed osteosarcoma. Yet he was entire until age 13, so neutering was a non-factor in contracting that awful disease.

I have also dealt with the heartbreak of pyometra and mammary cancers. Given the high incidence of pyometra in entire older females, and given the mortality rate of a dog suffering pyo, neutering a female is pretty much a given to me.

I have had entire dogs. One of my girls could not be neutered young due to a heart condition that precluded elective surgery. That meant that twice a year for an entire month I had to dedicate myself to keeping her safe. She was never out of my sight, never off lead even in my secure fenced in garden. It was a LOT of hard work. If one has an entire female, one MUST be able to commit to this.

This girl, by the way, contracted pyo at age 8. Which meant that she had to undergo the surgery we had feared would be too much for her heart now under emergency conditions, when in addition to her heart problem she was critically ill due to the infection. It was a miracle she survived.

I should also note that while I am pro-castration based on my own research, based on my own experience of health consequences, given current research I am fairly convinced that the current trend towards juvenile neutering might not be in the animal's best interest. For now, I prefer to wait until the animal has reached maturity. I am continuing to read new research as it comes out, though.

I would encourage every dog owner to fully research the subject for yourself, to discuss the heath benefits and risks with your vet, to understand the behavioral issues related to the subject, and to make a decision based on fact, appropriate for your own individual dog.

Key to that decision is a pretty hard look in the mirror. If you chose to keep an animal entire, you take on an even greater responsibility. Can you commit to that?

I totally agree with everything you say, like most of the time

I had every intention of getting my dog done actually, purely as it was a norm to my mind, it was only as I got geared up to do it that I changed my mind.

I did, as you say, a lot of research into the why's and who not's, pro's and con's, etc etc. So based on my discussions with my vet, the temperament of my dog, and discussions with my dog sitters who look after him every day and obviously observe his behaviour in and around the pack and their home that it was not something anyone advocated as a necessity.

Of course, if any of this changed I would have to consider it.

But he seems to satisfy his urges on his own, without the need of a female to chase and hunt and hump. I am not sure if this is a Frenchie thing only, but they do it. Did you see the film Due Date with that French Bulldog? I thought that was humour for the film. Well it's not!!

Excellent post!

For those whose hesitation hinges on 'neutering is not natural', please bear in mind that an entire dog living in today's human society must live the most unnatural of lives - as he will never be allowed to act on his sexual urges .

And of course an owner who (outside a recognized breeding program with a properly angekört dog) allows his dog to act on those sexual urges is flat-out irresponsible.

As TidakApia points out - anthropomorphising is wrong.

Possibly someone can comment on this as I am not familiar with it -- a fellow at my dog park mentioned he was going to get his King Cavalier chemically castrated first to see how he liked it. Apparently this is a 6-8 month process but then you have to decide. Never heard of this before, but my French is not up to par. Is this an option anyone has heard of? Doesn't seem good to give the dog chemicals, but this guy was all over it and said it helps tell how your dog will react.

Yep, funnily enough, this was something I considered. There's a thread I started here where meloncollie posted some useful info and links about it. Dog Daycare? / Contraceptive Implant for Dogs In Switzerland?

I spoke to my vet about it, was almost going to do it, purely as I had to have a change of dog sitter, which turned out to be only short term, and a lot of dog sitters wont take an intact dog. So in the end, my dog sitters resolved their issues and i didnt pursue it.

My giant schnauzer was chemically castrated after he'd been in intensive care for 12 days - he'd been very ill and the view was taken that anything that reduced the burden on his body (and permanently damaged kidneys) was a Good Thing. After the 6 months, the vets and I took the view together that he benefited so much that we'd go for the permanent option. In the end, mind, I ended up taking out his stitches because he wouldn't let any of the vets anywhere near lol

Thanks so much for all your comments. We will speak to our vet and find the appropriate timing. I especially appreciate Meloncollies's reference to the development of his bone strength. This kind of information is really important, as we consider his health, and future.

Long hair breeds and breeds with large head/flat noses are NOT natural and would not survive without the humans helping then tru grooming and/or c-section deliveries.

We humanized the dogs so its our responsability to keep healthy, controlled breeding . Sterilization is the way to do so for pet owners!

Can anyone give me a ball park cost on this?

The supplementary part of the Wiau-Miau insurance used to contribute Fr 200 towards it. As I recall, that covered about 2/3 of the bill. Castrating a male is usually cheaper than spaying a female. HTH.

Snigger.

We paid 370 CHFs in 2015.

Just to check, are you asking about castration of a male, or ovariectomy or ovariohysterectomy of a female?

Prices for the procedure will vary by the age, size, condition, of the dog, and of course by exactly what needs to be done during the surgery.

Rough ballpark, spanning the years but I don't think prices have changed all that much:

Castration of a healthy adult male, ca 25kg was IIRC around CHF 400.

Castration of a senior male ca 25kg due to a grossly enlarged prostate was a couple thousand - but that also involved removal of a hundred or so bladder stones so a far more complicated operation. Hard to say how much just the castration would have been, likely in the 5-700 range.

Castration of a otherwise healthy 5 year old male ca 25kg with an undescended testicle was ca 1500, that involved a more complicated surgery and pre-surgery testing and imaging.

Castration of an elderly male with testicular cancer and heart problems requiring additional care durining anesthesia ca IIRC 600 or 800, really can't remember.

Ovariectomy of a healthy 11 month old female ca 15kg was ca 800.

Ovariohysterectomy of an 8 year old female critically ill with pyometra was many thousands, as it involved a long stay in the ICU.

FYI, for those who are afraid of anesthesia and so are on the fence about castration/ovariectomy/ovariohysterectomy surgery:

In the greater Zürich area there is now a team of mobile anesthesia specialists, who work with various area practices, who will come to your practice to assist during high risk surgeries. That option that was not available in years past, hence why we had to put off Swimbo's spay and Haifish's castration - decisions which while correct at the time ultimately lead to their more serious illnesses, pyometra and testicular cancer.

Similar specialist assistance during the operation is available at the Tierspital, and several of the large area clinics.

Yes, the anesthesia specialist adds cost to any surgery but well worth the price, as now we do not have to forego treatment that otherwise might have been too risky to attempt. If you are concerned about the risks of anesthesia, speak to your vet about this, or similar, options.

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But for young, healthy animals the risks are minimal. For most dogs it's the right thing to do. Just be sure you discuss with your vet when in the dog's developmental stage the surgery is most appropriate. And, of course, do your own research in to the issues.

Good luck with your decision.

Just wanted to add:

As prices tend to vary a bit by region and Praxis, your vet should be able to give you an estimate for the surgery, bearing in mind that there might be some intangeables. It's always a good idea to ask upfront.

In addition to discussing the hows, when, and wherefores around the surgery, also make sure you discuss aftercare, including wound care and exercise restriction during recovery.

(BTW, there are much more comfortable alternatives to the lampshade these days!)

Absolutely. The trimline collar from the US is great.

One of our dogs was given a one piece long top with snaps which covered stitches on her tummy.

The ship's dog was given a fetching green stretchy full-body suit; my old deerhound, DoG rest his soul, had a pair of Y-fronts at Meloncollie's suggestion. Worked a treat.

Silly story.. I was in the office one day, on the phone to the vet to discuss castration of our dog.. (First time we'd had male dog)..

Me : Sooo do you just open up the scrotum and actually take the testicles out?

Vet : Yes it's all done under anaesthetic etc..

Me : Oh right, I thought maybe you just 'cut the wires' and left the testicles in place.

Vet : Well no, not normally.

Me : Right ok, i was just thinking for aesthetics, maybe it would look a bit more natural with the scrotum full.

Vet : Well you can get plastic replacements.. but it's rare..

Me: Oh well never mind, just whip them out.

I hang up the phone and look around to astonished colleagues .. Staring at me..