Dog vaccination went wrong, help

One month, ago my dog was vaccinated with complex vaccination (Nobivac SHP and Nobivac L4) in Germany. After two weeks he developed a bump on the injected side, it looks like Hematoma. It became bigger and bigger. He stopped eating, and playing and also had a high fever. We ended up visiting a Vet in Bern where we live, he prescribed antibiotics and medication for fever. It is one week since he has been on an antibiotic and he started eating and playing but the bump is there, and it's quite big. Since I am a foreign student it will be difficult for me to afford whatever will be needed. There are two possibilities for what happened with vaccination:

1. He injected into a blood vessel and caused a hematoma.

2. When he opened a needle he accidentally touched something and used a dirty needle for the injection.

I contacted the vet clinic in Germany and asked for help. I am waiting for their reply.

But most probably my dog will need an ultrasound and biopsy. Does anyone know how much will it cost me in Switzerland?

Is there anything I can do at home for him?

Or did someone have a similar experience?

Thanks

I'm sorry to hear that your pup isn't well. I know how worrying this can be, and certainly empathize.

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I don't think any of us can - or should - speculate as to what has happened, as we are not vets, and have not seen your dog. Unfounded speculation can lead to more harm than good.

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Do you believe your dog can manage until Monday, when vet practices re-open, or do you believe the pain is such that he needs an emergency appointment this weekend?

How did you leave it with the vet in Bern? Did he or she tell you when to come back if there was no improvement?

Did you feel comfortable with this vet? If so, I would go back on Monday, ask for a further assessment.

If necessary, you could ask for a referral to the Kleintierklinik of the University of Bern. This clinic is run by the Veterinary school, and has the bells and whistles for advanced diagnostics.

https://www.kleintierklinik.unibe.ch...index_ger.html

Now - while not outrageously expensive, be aware that specialist care will cost more. You will have to pay for a consultation to get started - a couple hundred perhaps - but before embarking on a course of treatment ask for a cost estimate upfront.

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I have had many ultrasounds and biopsies done with my mutts, for varying reasons - and the cost varies as well, depending on what is needed in an individual case.

But to give you a very rough idea of various veterinary costs in Switzerland, here are some published veterinary price lists. First, from a vet in Thun, from 2021:

http://www.tierklinik-thun.ch/filead...linik_Thun.pdf

And here is the general Tarriff list from the Tierspital at Uni Zürich from 2019 (maybe figure in a little more for inflation.) I couldn't find one for UniBE, but as they are both clinics run by the teaching and research universities I'd guess they would be similar.

https://www.rd.uzh.ch/dam/jcr:b6fbe1...Tierspital.pdf

As you can see you are probably looking in the low three figures for an ultasound.

If a biopsy is needed, a simple needle aspirate with a tolerant dog won't be too expensive. If sedation is needed, or if a surgical biopsy is needed, costs will be higher.

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If the local vet says that the condition is not time critical, can you return to Germany for treatment? It will likely cost less there.

If you can't get to Germany, can you arrange a video appointment with the vet you saw there? That shouldn't be too expensive and might bring you some peace of mind.

If the condition is urgent, though, if your dog is in significant pain, don't delay treatment - go to a local vet!

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This is bolting the barn door after the horse has escaped, but for the future, if you are worried about being able to afford an unexpected veterinary bill, you might want to look into taking out pet health insurance.

There are several threads on the subject, do a bit of browsing. Be aware, though, that pre-existing conditions are likely to be excluded from coverage, so run several scenarios to see if this is a sensible solution for you, or not.

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I am not in the BE area, my personal experience is with vets and clinics in the ZH/SZ/ZG area. Hopefully someone from the BE area will be along shortly with futher suggestions for area vets.

I hope you find answers soon, and that your pup recovers quickly.

Wishing you and your pup all the best.

ETA:

Just an FYI, there is a video veterinary consultation service, partnering with Meiko, the pet supply company. I have never used this, so please take it as information only, rather than a recommendation. Cost of the first consultation via phone or video is CHF 45 for a 10-15 minute consultation.

https://pet-care.ch

But were it me, I'd be back at the local vet on Monday - I'd want an in-person consultation.

Again, all the best.

A pregnancy ultrasound in my area was 50 CHF, she charges a bit more for some other types depending on what she’s supposed to be looking for and how complicated it is, but never more than 100 CHF. Biopsies I don’t have experience with, but considering you’d probably need sedation that could be several hundred CHF depending on the vet.

I'm really sorry your dog is not well, such a worry.

FWIW I can strongly advocate the vet hospital in Bern (see Meloncollie's post above). When Heros, our old giant schnauzer (dearly departed), got leptospirosis in 2010 which caused kidney failure, he was referred to Bern as it is (or was) the only place in the country that does (did) veterinary dialysis. The level of care there was superb - one of the vets lay next to him on the floor holding his paw all night because she saw how terrified he was and realised the physical contact soothed him, which was critical to his recovery (and believe me it was very touch and go whether he would make it).

Granted it was 11.5 years ago now, but 12 days in intensive care with three lots of dialysis plus all the medications etc. came to just under Fr 5000. This just to give you and idea of costs for a very serious situation and hence very serious veterinary cost.

Alubloba,

How is your dog today?

Were you able to speak to a vet, either here or in Germany?

All the best to you and your furry friend.

Any news?

We had a real problem with a French vet when we lived in the UK. The young vet did not take care when applying the tick solution behind our dog's neck, at the vet check pre return to UK. It went all over her back. We then got her in the car and drove right through France, and back to our home in the Midlands. She seemed OK. The next day, she was in pain, her mough swollen and could not eat, so took her to our vet in UK who asked if she had possibly drunk or eaten anything very toxic. No we said, we drove straight home from the French vet.

And bingo, the penny dropped. She had to have full anesthesia to check the back of her throat and tongue- and a very lenghty and expensive treatment. I wrote a very polite letter to the Head of the vet practice in France, who totally refused to take any responsibility. I wrote a second letter- same response. The next time we were over, we went to see him to discuss the issue- just didn't want to know. We could have sued, but from abroad, it is very difficult to deal with. We paid the bills and put it down to experience- and wrote the whole story on their internet page.

BTW, why did you have this done in Germany, and not at your local Vets here?

To try and save a little bit of money that unfortunately turns out, yet again, to be a false economy

Intensive care is for sure expensive, last year an acquaintance had to do an X-ray of lungs and an overnight in Bern with fluids and a follow up X-ray and that came to 1600 CHF.

My perception is somewhat different. Yes, Switzerland is more expensive than, say, Germany - but compared to what my colleagues are paying in the UK and US, care here is a relative bargain. My US and UK colleagues are paying double, triple, or more what I do here.

Of course anytime I bring my muttley home from the ICU alive and well, thanks to the outstanding care available here, I consider that money well spent, whatever the amount may be.

Stuff like this can happen anywhere, even if you are paying top dollar. We also used German vets sometimes and they were fine. All the vets in the practice we go to now are from Italy, and they are really good. One of the best dental vets that we have had was in Germany.

We went to a local vet when we lived in Aargau. He put our dog on the table and it collapsed!

One thing I love about the vets here is that they hardly use the examination table but virtually always get on the floor with our dog. He's much more at ease on the floor than on the table and he really loves the vet that deals with him most.

Just like with humans, veterinary care can sometimes be "random". You can be unlucky, and it doesn't matter where you are.

If you or an animal is having treatment, surely it is fairly sensible to make sure the person treating isn't 3 or 4 hours away by car.

People do this as they think (sometimes rightly) Switzerland is expensive but by the time you've factored in transport costs and time, i really think it doesn't make so much differecne for these small things.

Is it really fair to just assume?

Sometimes the best treatment may be that far away. I agree that for regular vaccinations, it probably wouldn't make sense. However, for more specialized treatments, it certainly would. I'm not talking about price here, but more about the availability of treatments and the reputation of a specialist.

As I said, the best canine dental surgeon that we found was German and he was located an hour away from us. It was a no-brainer. The fact that it was cheaper was not relevant.

However, when our dog developed allergies and needed allergy medication, we found a vet in Germany who could supply it as it cost less than 50% in Germany than it did in Switzerland. And at over CHF 400 for a box of 100 pills, it made a lot of sense to pick the pills up over the border for that kind of saving.

As with everything, decisions like this are contextual and depend on the circumstances. I would certainly not tar someone with "being cheap" because they looked for a more reasonable way of getting something done. Pet ownership is expensive enough and getting shots at a veterinary practice should have been fairly routine. This, in my opinion, was just really unlucky.

I thought for the length of time Heros was in ICU, the treatments he got (3 x dialysis) and the level of care,
For sure it’s cheaper here than what I was paying in the US. But some odd things are ridiculous, like I’m wanting to do a vasectomy on my male and I’m getting quotes from 500-750 francs—what I’d expect for a spay on a female or other such thing. Heck when my female had to have two large molars pulled it only came to 600 francs. What shocked me even more was that the regular old castrations were nearly or as expensive as the vasectomy. Meanwhile in France it’s around 200 euro only, whilst usually for basic routine care I find Switzerland cheaper than France.

No offence, but why have a dog when you cannot afford any unforeseen medical costs or an insurance against this? If I’d have a dog I would want to get the issue resolved by the right doctor or clinic, the cost is secondary.

I don’t agree, I think we’ve overcorrected culturally for the more relaxed approach previously. There’s a middle ground somewhere, and it’s up to personal circumstances, but it’s unreasonable to assume that people should have thousands and thousands on hand to pay for medical treatments for their dog. That would deny far too many people the pleasure of dog ownership, myself included. Plus, sometimes one has to balance whether or not the stress of the treatment plan is worth it. I knew someone who spend more than 10k on extending the life of her 10 year old with a heart condition. Nearly every weekend she drove a great distance to go to a university vet hospital. Now, this dog was nearly literally her child since she’d never been able to have any kids. And I’m sure she’d say it was worth it. But that dog barely lived another year. Again, that’s her choice and she’d say it was worth it. But personally, as sad as I would be for my dog, I wouldn’t have gone to the lengths she did.