Don't learn Swiss German

Good posts here. The minority who takes offense at listening to non-native Swiss German find five other reasons why they don't like German expats with the blink of an eye so why bother.

You know what, the first year I was here and taking German lessons, I found it hard to wrap my ears around Swiss-German. Since then it has endeared itself to me. Watching some good Swiss-German films helped too and I learned a few words and phrases with help from their subtitles. And no one has glared at me for trying them out in public.

And Nathu's right. If a Swiss 'hates' Germans in the first place, nothing that comes out of their mouths will please him/her.

I'm a big fan of Swiss German. When I throw in a few Swiss German words here and there it has only ever been met positively by those I have been speaking to.

I like the relaxed rules there are in Swiss German too, I am of the opinion that if you live here in Switzerland it is easier to learn Swiss German then High German. Just don't get too hung up about it.

Chances are you have probably asked for Poulet brustli , or have gone Velofahren or have greeted someone with Gruezi at some point anyway so you are probably using Swiss German words for things just because that is what use here and it is what you are hearing every day.

I am a firm believer of 'when in Rome'. I have lived here for almost 10 years and speak fluent High and Swiss German. I recommend learning High German first, as has been mentioned by others it is more useful in other areas. It also makes learning and understanding Swiss German easier (there are exceptions, like Wallis or Bernese dialects). Of course I have a bit of an accent when I speak Swiss German and there are some words I just cannot seem to pronounce, but I have been met with mostly encouragement and approval by the Swiss. They sometimes poke a bit of fun, but then I just offer to speak English with them

That sounds perilously close to my approach - great post !!!

I feel left out. I'm going to be in the Italian part and the only other language I sort of know is French...

I suspect you'll be in Lugano ? Plenty of International students and professionals there. :-)

edit: Oh.. Lugano it is, should read your profile before posting.

Swiss German folk. They have to be, like Scandanavians, because their native langauge is useless whan abroad.

I have found that most people in the larger cities of Ticino are able to speak at least one other official language of the Bund fairly proficiently and French is definitely not a small minority.

There is no benefit in learning Swiss German unless you plan to retire and die here. I don't.

If I can't use High German or English, I'm not interested. Any Swiss-German person who says they understand neither is not worth talking too.

Why are the Swiss germans are so linguistically flexible if they're so proud of their own dialect and heritage? To me that's an inferiority complex...

I've found the Swiss Germans to be very patent and accommodating with the attempt to speak the language. Its also nice to find them with a sense of humor.

The Swiss French on the other hand are a pain in the rump about the language and won't tolerate your lack of perfect French. I guess Geneva is a satellite of Paris.

Ooh er!!

Learning Swiss German helps you to integrate better and for me, that has been of the utmost importance.

But I suppose everybody's different......

And good for the Swiss that they have to learn other languages to communicate - makes for better business deals and you really can't deny that they are good at that.

I speak SalsaLoveritüütscht, which is my version of a mix of Züri -Schwyz -Zugeri tüütsches.

After all the cross dressing pictures, now you say you have special douches?

BTW,

it is well know that the Swiss employ their dialects as a way to recognise the origin of the speaker.

So this one is Bernese, that one from Basel, and even more locally they can recognise the accent from Wädenswil from the accent of Rapperswil.

Our distorted Scchwyzertütsches probably annoys, amuse or please some of them

3 reasons why I am not learning it:

1. As a native German, I am on the lowest rung of the Swiss socio-economic ladder, below the secondos, the illegals and even the Kosovo-Albanians. Guttural vocals won't make them like me any more or less.

2. In line with what Tilia said, I feel that most Swissies don't appreciate it when those from the great Kanton to the North make a more or less serious attempt at picking up said guttural vocals.

3. Hopefully I am not here long enough to work towards integration with the locals. My Swiss friends and colleagues understand me all the time and I understand them most of the time, so we are ok.

Were the Tomcats to remain here longer, I would probably see 1. and 2. and 3. in a different light. The youngins are already bringing some guttural vocals back from the Chindsgi along with their Znüni boxes and their Finklis ...

This makes sense....

However I don't know what you are trying to say with this....They have to be flexible because as you said in the previous sentence if they are not then they are not worth talking to. Pull it together man.

Logic has no place when you're laying bait

I completely understand you! The newspapers are in HochDeutsch. Also German TV programs are in HochDeutsch. IF you go outside of Switzerland , Swiss German doesn't get you very far. It is O.K. to know but HochDeutsch is better to know for all practical purposes...

I've only ever been encouraged by swiss to speak swiss german by the swiss, but you will be made fun or no matter how well you can speak it. I do hear alot of germans saying swiss don't like it when they speak swiss but I have never heard this out of a swiss persons mouth.