Don't share a lift pass

My Pillar 2 contributions are not taxable.

I don't have to pay 35% tax on gains from foreign mutual funds.

I am not American......

When I refer to my job, I refer to my clients, which does not refer to you, evidently

As I always hear the line "I didn't know" from Americans, well, isn't it obvious? Like speeding?

This sounds like a rip-off to me.

I mean if you buy something (a 1 week ski pass) and have no more use for it after 3 days, how is it illegal to resell it? I own the ski pass and resell it like so many other things in life.

I can transfer my mobile phone plan, my apartment lease, I can resell seat tickets for a concert, etc... what right do they have to stop you from selling something you legally bought and own?

That is just lame imo...

Subject to the terms & conditions. Your apartment owner does not charge the same for 3 - 4 weeks as for 1 year, the ski lifts company does & that why you can't sell your discounted (free) days.

Because it is very clear in the conditions of sale at the time. Just like it is for a Swiss motorway vignette- which cannot be passed from one car to the other. And of course this is not 'Swiss' - it is the same all over the world with ski passes, be it the US, France, Austria, wherever. All the big resorts have a photo on the pass, either you have to bring one with you when you purchase, or they take it and put it on your pass.

A said, some of the smaller resorts have passes with no identification, as the one in France we've been skiing with the family (on chicken pox duty today as grand-daughter from UK has come down with chickenpox on 3rd day of holiday). We could have passed ski passes around as we have been taking it in turn to look after the youngest- but honestly could not be bothered with all the hassle! The conditions of sale are very clear however, on their leaflet and the internet:

Station de Métabief – Syndicat Mixte du Mont-d’Or

Conditions d’utilisation du forfait

Le forfait est personnel : il est incessible et intransmissible. (the is personal and cannot be used by another person).

I can kind of see the logic now certain examples have been laid out, particularly for groups etc. I think its an easy trap to fall into though rather innocently.

Essentially the resort not wanting day trippers benefiting from the discount afforded to longer stayers I can understand, kind of. I mean in anything, when you buy bulk you norm get cheaper. Buy 30 cans of beer in a crate is cheaper than buying 30 individual cans. Does not mean the same person has to drink all 30 though?!? So, at the same time, whilst I now understand the reasoning, still think its silly people cant benefit from buying bulk, but sharing it if not all using it at same time.

I have never seen any sign or indication of this being foul play though, and I ski every weekend at different resorts.

Did you ever read the terms & conditions or even look at what's often written on the pass?

Of course in the good old days you did not need a pass at all, just walk up the first 500-1000m & stay high!

Well no, because in my case I just buy one day or two day passes and of course not interested in sharing it around. As soon as its bought, it goes in jacket, and then I am in the zone of stopping everyone pushing in and enjoying my day. Read the T&C is not of my concern as I only plan to go up, ski, come down, and get my 5 chuffs back if I dont plan on coming back and thus not keeping the card.

I ski every weekend pretty much, and since 2010/11 season ski'd close to 100 days in various resorts and never heard or seen this. Hence why I say I do not think it's as obvious as some people are making out.

I have done week long breaks in Chamonix, but we had purchased tickets via a deal online and could share them all around, and plus, with Chamonix depending on the weather you don't know what area you will go to so buying a week long pass is a gamble, but still, I don't know if the same photo procedure applies to prevent sharing.

The Engelberg and Davos passes in my wallet say nothing.

EDIT: actually, Davos has it written on there, Engelberg not. Out of interest, will check my others at home.

ah well. It says "tickets not transferable". check next time you go if you see it next to one of the "*" under all the prices. some also say it on the ticket, not all do.

whether or not a mobile phone contract is transferable is a moot point - great for the mobile phone contract. Ski tickets are not. except for points cards, those you can share

I just checked a Davos card from last year and it says "nicht übertragbar" as well as the English translation on it, here's the important part:

When I learnt to ski in the early 50s - we indeed at to walk up or use seal skins- picnic and one ride down back home We also had to spend hours on our local piste going up sideways to stamp the snow down- in our knitted wool socks and mitts, tweed plus fours and jackets - permanently soaked- I can still smell the wool clothes drying by the fire at the end of the day

Wooden skis with tie down bindings and no edges - honest

Learnt to ski in the 50s, learnt to snowboard in my 50s

you were hard core

My father's aunt was a ski instructor in Austria before WWII.

When war was declared, she skied into Switzerland, left her skiis there and got back to London. She then fought the Germans in France with the French resistance.

After the war, she went back to Switzerland, picked up her skis and went back to being a ski instructor in Austria.

All these old stories make our own lives (but not yours!) seem very easy and quite dull!

Not only hard core I dont know what it means to learn let alone even be born in the 50s

A real legend

It is "illegal" to resell it because that is the condition set by the seller. Simple as. Your "right" to sell concert tickets or your apartment lease are equally not absolute but depend on the conditions of sale of the ticket or the terms of the lease. Some leases cannot be sold/reassigned. Some concert tickets are sold on condition they can only be used by the original named person (more typically sports events - major football event tickets are often not transferrable although acknowledged this is in practise not enforced).

BTW, selling tickets for above their face value may even be criminal in some countries.

From the point of view of the lift company you are attempting to defraud them. Rather than buy 6 day cards for different individuals for (say) € 300 you want to take advantage of the discounted rate they offer to a single customer for a 6 day ticket for (say) € 250. In all probability, two people sharing a ticket will make more use out of it than a single person would (two people skiing half the time will simply be less tired than a single skier). I don't like the sneeky way described by the OP but I can still understand where the lift companies are coming from.

I think that it's fine. It's just using modern technology to combat fraud.

Ignorance of Terms and Conditions is not an excuse and the one ticket-one person rule is absolutely common knowledge.

If you do not mind, I have amended your quote slightly, and it will be my standard response when I chip into the countless whingers on the US tax threads and reply to all the pm's i get.

Well it's common knowledge to me now, was not before still doesn't effect me, might come into play one day in the future though, so I am glad the OP posted this thread.

In my experience it is usually pretty promenantly displayed - here for my local ski area for example. First line after the tarifs:

That's okay. That's why these sorts threads are good on here - to spread the information around to those that don't know.

I'm sure if this had happened in Switzerland this thread would have been placed in the complaints corner.

OK, so it's not a situation you've found yourself in, but had you done so would you have chosen:

1. To blindly assume that a six-day pass could legally be shared between several people on the different days?

2. Realised that it possibly/probably would not be allowed, and checked with the ticket office in advance?

3. Knowingly go ahead and do it anyway, then whinge when you got caught out, as they didn't tell you they might be checking?