driving somebody else's car

the same applies for a bike too, yes.

Permission is a key word in the whole thing (just to reiterate)

I am trying my best to find it. No luck so far.. have anyone ever needed this form?

Maybe after 11 years it's no longer valid??

You might need it abroad.

Here the one from TCS:

https://www.tcs.ch/mam/Digital-Media...ttpersonen.pdf

Here the Version from the Zurich Insurance, Same, but with more languages.

https://www.zurich.ch/-/media/zurich...onen.pdf?la=de

Btw the Cyrilic is Serbian.

Best if signed in front of a notary, plus added apostille.

Be aware: If you have visitor which are resident in an EU country (nationality does not mater) they can not drive abroad (save Lichtenstein) with a Swiss registered car. If they do they do a customs and tax violation. If caught there will be high fines and possible confiscation of the car.

Thank you very much "aSwissInTheUS". Helpful as always!

I really cannot figure out how to fill the section below (Dumb me!). any ideas great EF peeps?

Ausgestellt am in

If you intend to sign at a notary leave that part blank until you actually sign it.

Thank you once again

Please tell me this is to do with licenses from an EU country, not residency?

I am a UK resident, who is also EU/EFTA B permit resident in Switzerland. (I commute weekly, weekends in UK). I own a Swiss registered car, and several times a year we drive across the border to our place in France. I have a Swiss license, because I had to swap my UK one by Swiss law. My wife however is UK resident and only has a UK license.

We have yet to be stopped crossing the border - but if we are and she is driving, will the brown stuff hit the whirly thing?

I also once hired a car in Zurich for the same trip. When I checked, hire company said "It is ok".

I know I have asked this several times before but no one seems to have a real definitive for sure answer - and I am not brave enough to stop at the border and ask...

Regards

Ian

Hi Ian,

Nationality does not matter, but the resident status matters.

EU nationals with Swiss resident permits can drive a Swiss registered car in and out out Switzerland. But they cannot drive an EU registered vehicle into Switzerland.

Your wife cannot drive the car alone into a EU country. I believe its not an issue if you are in the car with her.

Sorry, but it has nothing to do with licenses, just residency.

Tom

Ok, but I'm dual resident... so I must be both legal and illegal?

I will keep keeping fingers crossed whenever I travel to France.

Regards

Ian

Not illegal as long as you have your swiss residence permit with you whenever you drive your Swiss registered car across the border.

Sorry, I have no clue how it would work with a UK registered car. ////{If you have the car and insurance under your name and you only show your British passport you might get away with it, since you legally hold the UK residence (100% no clue if it is legal or not)}

Not entirely true: I often drive a Swiss-registered hire car in France and Italy. While the Swiss law is not the same as EU directives, it has some parallels: https://www.ezv.admin.ch/ezv/en/home...itzerland.html ("There are special regulations for instance for vehicles which are occasionally privately hired abroad and for foreign company cars." Now I am registered in Switzerland I can no longer drive my UK-registered and -insured car here; the exception is for commercial drivers and, apparently, rental cars; in principle one has to get permission.) Under the EU Motor Insurance Directive any vehicle purporting to have EU plates is covered in a crash by that (other) country's Motor Insurance Bureau. (Trying to collect from a bureau is another matter, especially for small claims.) That would probably not stop the Bureau from suing an uninsured motorist, and in the UK most policies have specified drivers. Mine does not, it's with USAA Ltd. and I am covered for all vehicles I drive and all drivers who use mine with consent are covered. My UK-resident daughter is a listed driver.

(Because of the above, "uninsured motorist cover" common in the USA does not exist in the EU. My USAA policy includes such a rider if I drive a car while visiting the USA. Also in USA style, it covers any additional car I may buy for 30 days although how that would square with a violation recorded by automatic number plate recognition I can't say. USAA sells motor insurance to members in all the NATO-base countries, obviously excluding CH.)

Another inconsistency between EU and CH is that any EU car driven in an EU country has to be currently taxed. Not so in CH for 30 days a year (as I recall), which helps certain foreigners with holiday homes in Switzerland who keep their foreign car in a garage 11 months of the year. Bringing that car back home to re-inspect and -tax it implies a minuet: from CH through F (say) with transporter ("trade") plates https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b021406q or on the back of a lorry; then from Calais driven based on a prior-made appointment with an MOT inspector (can be anywhere in the UK, I asked DVLA).

I do not have a Swiss-registered car; I use rentals. I recall once hiring online in error a French-registered car at GVA, big mistake because I had to buy a motorway vignette.

That doesn't fill in all the blanks but it does some of them.

The custom regulations of the EU are much more restrictive than the one of Switzerland.

See Commission Delegated Regulation (EU) 2015/2446, Article 215 what use of a foreign registered car by an EU resident under which special circumstances and conditions are permitted w/o any duty due: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...X%3A32015R2446

As you can see it only applies to actual rental cars, or when the holder themselves is in the EU customs area. Here the story what can happen if you do the same with a private car https://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/st...Busse-10629032

In the past the French were strict on that and made a fuss at the border if an EU resident drove a Swiss registered rental car int to the EU customs area and they did not fulfill all conditions of Article 215 of said and linked regulation. This days it seems they have a bit of a more relaxed view. On the other hand they now request a Carnet ATA from people doing motorcycle sport in France and bringing in temporarily the motorcycle on a trailer or bus from Switzerland (Based on Article 163 of the above Regulation).

Yes, I've seen that report on a German citizen getting caught driving a Swiss-registered car in Austria without Customs clearance https://www.20min.ch/ro/news/suisse/...mende-23768683

It happens that I have some incomplete but still useful knowledge in the area. Commercial travellers and car hire patrons are largely protected. Anyone else needs to report at the border to a Customs broker who will issue a bond. Not free, but not expensive. Back in the day we got Carnets de passage en douane: I used one in 1965 to drive from Algeciras via Oran to Alexandria to Beirut, Amman, East Jerusalem, Damascus, Ankara, Istanbul and back to Europe. It was issued by the AAA in New York and I had given the AAA a $2,000 deposit which I got back when the document was returned with all appropriate Customs stamps.

I was stopped last month early in the morning by the Gendarmerie on the A1 going from Lausanne to Geneva Airport. Turns out that I had (wrongly) assumed that because the headlights were on, so were the tail lights. What do I know. Cop asked for my papers, I gave him my Florida DL (I have many but 2 are in the cantonal licence office awaiting for issuance of a Swiss licence: I'm glad I couldn't/didn't present that to the cop) and the car rental papers: 4 days in Switzerland. He asked me about the purpose of my visit, I told him, didn't volunteer any other information, and he turned on my lights for me and sent me on my way: nice to innocent tourists and business travellers I guess.

But as I said, I wouldn't dare drive my UK-reg car now in Switzerland as I did many times in the past. Anyway it's a Saab: can you even get parts now in CH for a right-hand drive Saab?

Some more here, but haven't read it yet: http://suisse.fr/informations-pratiq...-aeroport.html