And back to the original question if we move then it would likely increase to 6 years before I could apply.
This has really been helpful to me to at least understand the rules a bit better. Thank you everyone for your responses!
So from all that was covered toady it appears that I could (with new law in 2018) apply for a C-permit after 5 years (since I am American) recieve the C-permit and then just apply for Swiss citizenship after recieving the C.
Yours is an interesting case. Learned a lot myself.
Only one final note: As you would go the way of facilitated naturalization a C permit is not needed.
Then why are my wife's kids (from first marriage to a non-Swiss) Swiss since birth (born 1983 and 1984)?
I know of other cases as well.
Isn't that only for those not born in CH?
Tom
I thought the new law required anyone and everyone to have the C-Permit before applying for citizenship?
Not much to worry about though, is there
Ticino! They didn't know where the heck Vietnam was so they just proclaimed them Swiss.
Well, no, as they are technically Swiss-German (Fischenthal ZH).
Tom
Well, according to this translation I think you do.
" Art. 9 Formal requirements
1 The Confederation only grants the naturalisation permit if the applicant is not in possession of a permanent residence permit.
Applicant:
a. holds a settlement permit when submitting the application ; and
b. proves that he/she has been in Switzerland for a total of ten years, three of which in the last five years before submission of the application.
2 The period of time during which the applicant has lived in Switzerland between the age of 8 and 18 years shall be doubled for the calculation of the length of stay referred to in paragraph 1 (b). However, the actual stay must be at least six years."
Settlement permit is a C permit - although 1a seems to contradict what 1 says.
Maybe they fixed these little issue asap as the law changed on 1 July 1985.
Or they were not eligible for the foreign citizenship and not to be stateless they became Swiss. Or they were born before marriage.
No, it is only listed as a requirement in Art. 9 of the new law which covers regular naturalization.
As stated before a same sex partner of a Swiss has to go the regular route, which means they will need a C starting January 1st 2018. But to get a C is easy as they are entitled to C after 5 year of stay.
Doubtful, as even my wife was givien the opportunity to obtain Vietnamese citizenship.
The first yes, the second, no.
A friend has several nieces born during the same time frame to a Swiss mother (his sister) and a German father, married, though in all cases in CH.
Tom
Where did you get that from
O.k. here once again the link to the new law
German: https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/official.../2016/2561.pdf
French: https://www.admin.ch/opc/fr/official.../2016/2561.pdf
Italian: https://www.admin.ch/opc/it/official.../2016/2561.pdf
And here the translation by deepl.com of Art. 9 including the headings which come just before the article (as they are important) using the German text.
Your friend deepl.com That’s what it translated as when I pasted the text into it.
It is this line break:
"Der Bund erteilt die Einbürgerungsbewilligung nur, wenn die Bewerberin oder der"
"Bewerber"
DeepL does not like partial sentences and it treats line brakes as sentence dividers Interesting.
In conclusion you have to properly format the text and remove spurious line breaks to get a meaningful result. Very interesting.
Well, I expect Google Translate is the same. I get different results when I check sentences flow properly, unncessary hyphens from words are removed, etc.
Hi Sonnenbrand i’m just gonna reiterate, but you are actually quoting the normal naturalisation “Ordentliche Einbürgerung” which has f* all to do with the short cut version of “facilitated naturalisation” so you’re gonna need:
10 years living in Switzerland in total
3 of those 10 years need to be within 5 years of applying to normal citizenship and you have to live in Switzerland 12 months before applying. (So you if apply in Jan 2025 you need to live in Switzerland as of Jan 2024).
The cool thing is the Swiss federal law does not discredit any stays if you’ve lived outside of Switzerland for any amount in between unlike the UK goverment. I’m gonna have to move back with my husband and stay another 6 years.
Hi, it is my understanding of this topic at this point I will be applying for facilitated naturalization if iam here for 5 years.
The amount of time spent here is only one part of the requirements for facilitated. You ́d need to have all the other boxes ticked as well (married to a Swiss, who was Swiss at the time of the marriage etc etc)
I've been following this thread and am left confused.
As best I can tell from all the links, etc. Sonnenbrand is not eligible for facilitated naturalization in the usual sense because the spouse was not Swiss at the time of marriage. So it's regular naturalization, but with fewer years required. Basically the same rule as for same-sex partnerships.
Is any written citizenship test still required? Do residency requirements by village and canton still apply? If not, what's the point of making the applicant do regular as opposed to facilitated?
Because the law changes on 1 January 2018, Sonnenbrand should get the C permit first it seems, regardless of the answers to the other questions..
What do we call this middle ground scenario? Partly facilitated? Not-so-regular naturalization?
What will be the Heimat in this circumstance? For facilitated the new citizen gains citizenship of the spouse's Heimat. For regular, one gains the citizenship of where they live.
Sorry for all the questions, just trying to get it all straight in my head.
Hello Roegner,
Yes! Correct! I am just gathering information about the subject, trying to get a better understanding. I am far away from any type of action at this point anyways... I have been in Switzerland for 3 years and basically it would be another 2-3 years before any type of action would be needed to pursue anything dealing with citizenship. I was mostly concearned if my wife and I decided to move to the USA in the next year or two how that affect me. Everyone that has responded to this topic has been very helpful and offering advice or facts very quickly - It's really appreciated!
It is confusing, my wife actually simply emailed the goverment yesterday explaining the situation/circumstances and we will wait to see if we get a response with accurate information from an authoratative source. I will update the thread when we hear something from them. It could be helpful to others at a later date searching for answers to questions like these.
If it's ordinary naturalization then it's ordinary and all the steps apply.
He will likely get citizenship of where he applies, which is not always where you live.