Got Milk? - Its the packaging, stupid!

Sorry, going a bit OT now but the NHS in the UK reckons that if we get enough exposure in the summer it carries us through winter...

From here .

Noooo! Milk is not "just" milk. All the milk from the supermarket is awful. The UHT is the worst. The best milk is unprocessed milk straight from the milk collecting place. Bring your own glass bottles. Otherwise don't waste the calories/carbs/cash.

Sadly though now even the creme sold at the supermarket is being filled with thickeners. It didn't used to be just a year or so ago. iSad.

I don't think these are actually being recycled. Does anyone know for sure. At our dump these go in with the other plastics that are destined for incineration.

Now that we have the taxed garbage bags, I prefer buying our milk in plastic bottles. You can bring them back to supermarkets for recycling, this way it doesn't take space in your garbage bag!

I tend to have seasonal depression every winter, and for the past 2 years I've been taking vitamin D supplements in the winter months, and it really helped me.

I guess there's nothing wrond with going on with the baby vitamin D drops for children as well during winter.

I know that some yoghurts, like the Danonino, are enriched in Vitamin D, as it helps absorb calcium.

Thanks. I'll look for that. My little guy does (thankfully) like yogurt.

The fortified milk sold here is not fresh but uht and you can't shake the after taste.. Carrrie - I gave it to my kid as a toddler, she wouldn't drink it, still prefers fresh milk (she drinks more back in CZ, too).

If you nursed, make sure you top up your Calcium and vit D consumption, so it doesn't bite you in yer butt in 30years (or hip, rather). They also found dairy is good for dieting, the skimmed stuff makes a little difference. I eat everything light, except dairy, and fresh milk is my staple. Can't wait for the farm one.

Do you have a link to info on that? I'm not disputing it, just curious.

The milk from our local motorway service station although in plastic bottles, does come from the local farm within walking distance of the service station.

Carrageenan E407

http://www.migipedia.ch/de/lebensmit...rahm-uht/180ml

http://www.migipedia.ch/de/lebensmit...ollrahm-uht/1l

Coop Bio does not contain it:

http://www.coopathome.ch/b2c_coop/co...roduct=3381387/.do?nav=HOME&linkShop=DIREKT_DE&product=3381387)

No. I just check the labels. The ingredients used to list just cream. Now they list cream and whatever stabilizers/thickener. It was a sad, tragic day. I almost fainted in the supermarket.

Yes. But it's been pasteurized. I'll buy pasteurized milk because the hours the local store to get fresh milk can be a pain. The milk comes in at 18:15 and that changes by season. And the milk dispenser in up in the middle of no where. Really though, IMO, raw milk it just yummier. Something about having to shake the milk in the morning also makes me happy.

(I know.... I'm weird.)

Thanks. Yeah, we do usually buy UHT milk but did try the non-UHT stuff with him for a while. It didn't seem to make a difference, but I'll try again. When I hear about all the milk that toddlers normally drink, I get worried that ours isn't drinking enough of it.

I know that at the Lausanne market every Saturday morning you can buy 'raw' milk directly from the farmers. You must come with your own bottles.

I breastfed my kids for 2 years each, and when I finally weaned them they both totally refused to drink cow milk. I bought every kind of milk you can imagine, tried adding chocolate powder, to no avail.

My ped then told me that drinking milk wasn't compulsory for children, as long as they have other sources of calcium. 125g of yoghurt = 250ml of milk = a portion of cheese, for instance. So I just made sure that my kids would eat enough yoghurt and cheese, which fortunately they liked!

DON'T give a child vitamin D supplements without medical advice! Vitamin D is stored in fat in the body, which means it's hard to shift any excess and it is possible to overdose. The Vitamin D Council have a useful web page which explains how much is too much, and what the symptoms are:

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about...uch-vitamin-d/

30 minutes a day of sun on the forearms and face during the summer should allow you to store enough vitamin D to get you through the winter. Obviously that time is longer if you wear sunscreen or long-sleeved tops, but you can also get it from egg yolks.

I've had vitamin D deficiency in the past and been on prescription supplements for a while, after which I switched to margarine instead of butter, drank more milk and ate fortified breakfast cereal. It hadn't even occurred to me that foodstuffs here might not be fortified as standard, so this has been a really helpful heads-up!

Oh, and tetra-packs vs plastic bottles: plastic bottles are usually more environmentally friendly since they can be recycled and tetra-packs can't (well, technically they can, but it's a pita and no-one except the Norwegians bothers...). However my, admittedly limited, understanding of Swiss waste disposal is that most plastic goes to Energy from Waste plants (incinerators) so it makes no difference. Happy to be corrected on this from anyone who knows more about the Swiss system (why yes, I am a waste management nerd...)

A few decades back it was common for most UK homes to have milk delivered in glass bottles to their doorstep. Varying coloured tops denoted the type, from regular to extra cream Channel Island milk.

All had the Cream Top, one had to shake the bottle for the cream at the top to mix with the other milk; or one used that Cream Top.

I miss the cream top.

It is still possible for most homes to get milk delivered to their doorstop, but most do not, either out working when delivery expected or just as easy & cheaper to pick up at shops.

If I was a housewife with a few children, I think I would search a milk doorstep delivery, particularly if they came in glass bottles.

That reminds me of something. The large part of a mail box where the post man can put in small packages is/was called in Swiss German "Milchkasten" - milk box. Hmm, why was that ?

Like you, I too cringe at the amount of food and beverages sold in plastic. The compounds that break down from plastic mimic our very own hormones

and It is playing havoc with our endocrine system.

If you live close to a farm, you will find milk sold in glass bottles or you could bring your own bottles. I have noticed that health food shops, like Egli, are now selling Demeter Milk in dark glass bottles. Same price as normal milk but you pay a deposit for the bottle.

The lack of needing to shake the milk bought in bottles is not due to the pasteurization but due to it being homogenized.

Yes.

My neighbour in the UK still has her milk delivered daily in bottles - ( at 3.30am in the morning - wakes me up as I hear the electric van).

The problem so many people have, is not the delivery but the fact that so many people steal the milk on their doorsteps.

The report I read said it only affects you if you have one or more of the following:

You own a cat. You have lived in California. You believe in chem-trails. You read your horoscope. You refer to drinks as beverages.

Possible side-effects of this hormone changing affect include women growing beards.

I don't know any women with beards but I did see one at the circus in 1978 when, in the U.K. at least, all drinks came in glass bottles.

Glass bottles are best in my opinion.

Many shops still use them.