Greenpeace, Coop, Migros & Vegetarians...a meltdown about to happen

Interesting “petition” (if translated from the original, “forced requirement” ) by Greenpeace. 60% of the protein supplements should come from plants.
Proteinshift Petition - Greenpeace Schweiz

Let’s see… according to the Swiss statistics, about 5% - 6% (of the total population) are vegetarians. Does this mean, that for example, 60% of the meat (or foodstuff) should be Halal? – Muslims make the same % of the population…

But, beyond and above that – shouldn’t a private company have total freedom on what they list on the shelves? (obviously, as long as required on QC by the law) based on offer and demand? isn’t that part of the principles upon which private business is based…?

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Cows eat grain to become delicious, so the source it’s pflanzliche Proteine :slight_smile:

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It looks like a storm in a teacup. It is only a petition. How much traction it gets remains to be seen. As a flexitarian, I will not be signing as I think it is bad tactics. This has nothing to do legal restrictions which would require a totally different mechanism. Total freedom does not exist anywhere under any system.

What about the meatarians? Or those who avoid UPF?

If it saves the whales, I am all for it.

Meat eating is lust for blood.

As I read it, in the French, it’s not about protein “supplements” of any sort but the total protein in products sold. Effectively banning meat. As if it isn’t bad enough already that I have to scan some products on the meat aisle to make sure they’r actually meat and not soy protein.

Absolutely ludicrous and outrageous, but yeah, it’s just a petition at this stage.

Is there a way to create a counter-petition, to ban “fake meat” and ultra-processed food from Migros/Coop? Would be about as serious as this one…

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You realise that carnivores are on their way out? Even our dog prefers broccoli and cucumber to a bratwurst.

you really made me laugh…

Owner attempts to demonstrate dog is vegetarian by choice

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To be honest, that’s not meat. I agree with you dog. I do prefer a cucumber to bratwurst.

And, carnivores on the way out? The Lebensreform started 100+ year ago in Switzerland. It healthier to eat less meat, but meat-free is a whole different thing.

Maybe not as extreme as broccoli and cucumber but dogs are actually omnivores. It’s cats which are strictly carnivorous.

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I don’t have the links to hand - but last I checked, in the UK at least, there’s been a massive “anti-vegan” movement, with restaurants and vegan food brands going bankrupt as people move towards healthier, non-processed, food.

A steak from a properly raised cow is still healthier in most cases than some concoction made in a science lab to become “I cannot believe it’s not steak”.

Heck, look at numbers of hunters - there’s more demand for hunting courses than even before in Switzerland…

I can understand the backlash against militant veganism, but in terms of human health the evidence seems very strong that a Mediterranean diet which is low in meat has many health benefits. Apparently cats need meat because they are not good at producing their own taurine - so that is why cat food stinks so badly. They can be pescatarian but that does not solve the smell problem.

Poor dog.

No, clever. As a rule of thumb, plants are poisonous. Dogs have worked out that if a human is supplying it, the plant is probably yummy.

There’s little or no evidence to suggest that it’s the lack of meat that is a major factor in this. It seems more likely that it’s what is included, rather than what is not, that is more significant. At best, research still concludes that we really don’t know why the Traditional Mediterranean diet appears to come with lower risks from cancers and cardiovascular disease.

On a lighter note, couple of old veggie jokes that spring to mind:

If God had intended us to be vegetarian, why did he make animals out of meat?

Does a vegetarian diet really make you live longer? No, but it sure feels like that.

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I think you are wrong here. There is evidence against animal fats and the preservatives used in some meat products. What is not true are many of the myths about a vegetarian or even vegan diet - people following these have to take more care, but they are perfectly able to get enough proteins, minerals and vitamins.

except some types of vitamine B12, DHA, iron, iodine and Vit D. for example…among others (also additionally Ca2+, Zinc and others for vegans). But you don’t have to believe me, there are enough medical research studies published on that. Of course, nothing that pills and artificial supplements cannot supply :slight_smile:

Let’s come back to the original question – the Greenpeace signing is only the warm up for a coming popular initiative Initiative populaire fédérale 'Pour une alimentation sûre – grâce au renforcement de la production indigène durable, à davantage de denrées alimentaires végétales et à une eau potable propre (initiative sur l’alimentation) »
which is veeeryyyy scary…

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You think I’m wrong? Well I’ll gladly concede the point if you can find said evidence.

Not that I’m not saying it cannot be true, just that all the studies I looked at had been unable to show that it’s the lack of red meat in the Traditional Mediterranean diet that makes it more healthy.

The problem is that such studies are by their very nature done at a population level, just looking at overall diet based on food production and sales numbers and general life expectancy and incidence of certain diseases. It’s not really feasible to create long-term studies where individuals consume a controlled and documented diet their whole lives.