Nothing short of miraculous. I'm impressed.
You mean the stuff that's prescribed for intestinal aches can also cure back aches?
Yes, of course I know that arsenic is a poison and that gold is an inert metal.
What 5 year old child doesnt?
I seem to be inadvertently good at insulting people - look at how many red spots Ive got. However, if people choose to be offended it is still their choice. On the other hand Im sure there are enough homeopaths (anthroposophical doctors included) around who have reason enough to be offended by some of the comments on this forum on this subject.
Back again - just been to check some old doctors invoices:
For a month's supply of Morphine plasters I (the Krankenkasse) paid 120Fr.
For a month's supply of Voltaren/Dafalgan " paid 50Fr
For a months supply of Pariet (which goes together with
the Voltarene to protect the stomach I,(the Krankenkasse paid 180 Fr.
Total per month ........... 450 Fr.
Plus 350-400 Fr. every 3 months for a cortisone injection
In contrast I (the Krankenkasse) pays 17-20 Fr. for a bottle of Arsenicum Album/Gold/Silver/Barium or whatever from Weleda (don't have the correct names on hand) and a bottle lasts for 2 months. Therefore, I (the KK) pays an average of 20 Fr. per month for my medicines.
WHO IS THE CROOK????????????
None of your red dots come from this thread.
I'm learning to be diplomatic
One who thinks swallowing gold dust cures all ills?
Total R&D costs gone into Arsenicum Album - 0.
Total material costs (other than water) - asymptotically close to 0.
Packaging costs - 1 CHF.
I don't know, you tell me. If you're happy to buy tap water for 20 Fr. a pop, I don't see why you should be subsidised by other insurance payers.
Your account of your homeopathic cures reminds me of a piece I read in a layman's guide to statistics:
A radio transmitter mast was mounted near a village, much to the dismay of the locals.
A few years went by and then a really high percentage of the locals seemed to be getting cancer.
It had to be the radio mast -none of them had cancer before the mast went up.
However, statistical analysis showed that the spread of cancers in the village were absolutely normal. They probably would have been seen as that if the radio mast had not been built.
A lot of illnesses do sort themselves out over time. Time is a great healer and human body is great at repairing itself.
Or maybe we could probably throw in an additional theory: the increased awareness of the cancer problem among the villagers (some of them heard about it during the anti-mast campaign, and later on probably performed more frequent medical examinations).
Just read this from the New Scientist's book "Why Don't Penguins' Feet Freeze"
One of the answers to the question
was
No wonder I'm so healthy.
I think now is the right time to start discussing polarized water.
Arsenicum album does contain arsenic. It's made with arsenic oxide. Luckily, the doses are too small to have any effect, just like all the other homeopathic remedies.
Doctors should not have to be TRAINED to listen. It should be automatic in that profession - otherwise they should become IT consultants or something that does not involve human beings. Sometimes doctors do listen but they have no empathy. They should be trained to use their intuition (as well as logic) and then listening comes naturally as does good diagnosis and the right choice of treatment. Better selection tests for medical students based on suitability might also be a good idea.
Don't see the connection....... Anyway, as my mother used to say, "there are none so blind (blinded by science perhaps), as those who do not want to see and none so deaf as they who do not want to hear".
Still don't think someone who has never had personal experience of homeopathy is qualified to state that it's effect is just a placebo reaction.
Enaj, are you really a nurse? Some of the stuff you come out with shows such a lack of the most basic understanding of science, I find it had to believe. The idea that you had been walking round with 2 litres of fluid in your bladder for ages and some inactive substance suddenly cured the urinary retention at the origin of your chronic infection made me laugh out loud.
Recognising a placebo effect requires no personal experience - on the contrary. Scientific proof rests on properly designed research, meticulous observation and data collection and subsequent rigourous analysis, not on personal experience. No research done with homeopathic treatment has ever shown an effect greater than placebo. In many cases, as Tom says, the problem would have gone of its own accord.
You've had positive experiences with homeopathy but none of them provide any proof that it works - only that there was a temporal relationship with your visiting a practioner and your symptoms improving - coincidence/placebo effect/whatever - but not evidence that this 'therapy' works.
Be happy that your health problems have resolved but please don't try and defend the indefensible.
So now it's personal experience and not scientific proof?
This is the parallel - people are more likely to 'believe' in these things if they have experienced them. And the more examples that they, or people that they know have experienced, the stronger the belief. This happens irrespectively of the facts.
Glad I made you laugh - at least you have a sense of humour... Of course I didn't literally mean urine retention of 2 litres - it just felt like that - and yes, I did train as a nurse although I got out of nursing years ago. (Wasn't aware that you need a scientific backgound for nursing, only human biology - although I suppose things have changed).
I will always defend the indefensible - seems to be part of my character and if no-one else with a scientific background can PROVE how homeopathy works, my own experiences and insights are enough for me. Sorry about your scepticism - I find it rather sad.
I take blinded by science over blinded by ignorance any given day. Except maybe the 30th of February.