Info for nurses looking to work in switzerland.

Just an update: I had a face to face encounter with someone from the SRK who told us that a foreign nurse will NEVER be able to get an FH recognition, PERIOD. So yes, it will only be the HF recognition given out.

As for the work permit thing, the SRK is only interested in awarding recognition to those who can already legally reside and work in Switzerland. So it does makes sense that that would be a requirement for the recognition process. (Although the general lack of nursing staff is an issue that Switzerland and many countries are currently facing. It would make sense for the SRK to make this a more streamlined process... but that's another story all together).

My best recommendation is to try to find either:

A) a non-medical job

B) a medical job at a lower function (Pflegehelferin, FaGe or Praktikantin) in the meantime, so you can obtain a new B permit.

OR

C) Ask your current employer if there is any possibility of extending your current work visa.

Keep in mind that in order to continue with the rest of the recognition process, you must have a job in the healthcare setting; either, simultaneously with attending the continuing education course (Pflegen in der Schweiz) OR after you attend the class for a total period of 6 months. You must be employed at either 80 or 100% and attend school 20%.

Hope that helps clarify things. I am currently working in a hospital and attending the course they require. I will be finished with everything in the beginning of March, so I hope to have the official recognition shortly after. If you have any more questions don't hesitate to ask. Good luck!

The SRK has also been informed that their website is incredibly disorganized and not clear and they told the class that they will work on... so there's that lol

Sorry I just saw this now!!! So late. I'm back in Canada. I got so frustrated with the process to be honest and my work permit ran out. What is the difference between HF and FH in terms of what you can do? Would it be like RPN/LPN vs RN in North America? If I couldn't do things like push meds or give blood I probably wouldn't even want to be recognized and go to do something totally different. Knowing my personality I would always be annoyed lol

Hi to all! Happy New Year Does anyone knows about changes in the process of admission for foreign trained nursing personnel to frenchspeaking cantons? With the greatest luck I got, I postponed the "transatlantic" project only to find out that recruting agency in Quebec halted their hiring process. I am wondering whether I could have a chance by starting looking for an employer independantly. It would be nice to know about "undeground currents" and weight out odds of getting a job. Any thought of the areas where non EU RN has highest chances of getting hired? Thanks

Have you had your qualifications recognised by the Swiss Red Cross?

Not yet, because one of the initial steps of recognition process requires candidates to submit their permit B which, I belive should be linked to a job offer . Previously, nurses from Quebec were able to obtain job offers through agency. Currently this agency is not working with QC anymore.

See the recent posts by Brooklyngirl9 and dasdasdas, just above. It sounds like the process has been made more difficult, possibly due to the vote to curb immigration.

Thanks, that is correct some changes has been in place because of curb on immigration and, perhaps, Brexit. Although there is no 100% guarantie, I think that SRK credentials recognition will be possible once I find a job. HR of major hospitals encouraged me to apply directly but I was thinking of augmenting my chances by targeting some "unpopular" places suffering from severe shortages who might be more open to hire 3d state professionals.

It never hurts to try, right? All it costs to apply is your time. Somewhere up-thread there was a gal who had gotten a job doing so-called "lower-level" caring while she worked towards meeting the requirements of the SRK. If you're willing to do that, it might get your foot in the door.

Do you happen to have EU citizenship in addition to Canadian? An EU or Swiss spouse, perhaps? If not, the problem you're going to run into is that any employer has to go through the non-EU hiring process. They might be reluctant to do so if your qualifications haven't been recognized.

Have you considered other European countries where they speak French? I don't know, maybe if your qualifications are recognized by France or Belgium and you work there first, the Swiss won't fuss so much?

Hi all,

Just thought I would jump in here. I have a BSN from the USA and worked as an oncology RN in New Orleans. I live in Geneva, and have just passed the B2 French exam and submitted my application in December to the Red Cross to recognize my nursing license here.

Reading your posts about an internship and a 5000 CHF adaptation course in addition to 1000 CHF to the Red Cross is making me uneasy. Do ALL recognized nurses have to take this course, or is it for certain people with/without certain qualifications?

Thanks!

Hi, I am not sure 100% but i think it depends because nurses recruited from Quebec did not have to pay for any course. My friend only paid for visa and, maybe for recognition, but i am not sure again as fees might have been partially covered by the agency. However, recruitment is halted for now due to changes in admission requirements for foreign nurses to Switzerland so best would clarify with RC.

Thanks for your reply. When you say they were "recruited" - was there a specific hospital that reached out to recruit Canadian nurses?

Yes, CHUV

Hi! I’m a Canadian registered nurse. I have Swiss citizenship and speak Swiss German. I’m wondering if Switzerland recognizes Canadian baccalaureate nursing degrees or if you have to write a test to be able to work there? Anyone have any tips?

Thanks

You many find other info in searching for The Red Cross on the EF website.

In Switzerland the Red Cross is responsible for approving diplomas from outside the country. Best to start with them.

Be sure to specify that you are CH even though you studied and live in Canada.

Here is a link in DE: https://www.redcross.ch/de/thema/ane...sabschluesse-0

Also, the health system in Switzerland is managed at the canton level so opportunities and any specific restrictions are at the canton level.

The link provided by Verbier is very detailed about how a foreign qualification is compared to the Swiss ones.

The laws and rules named there are probably online for you to check the Swiss requirements (for nurses qualifying in Switzerland).

My tip is that you gather together as much formal description as you can of the actual content of your study and practical training.

In other words, not just the name of a subject or module, but the syllabus or learning-goals or competencies achieved, through how many hours of school, lectures, group project work, in how many hours per week and weeks per block or semester. Similarly with practical training at what level and with supervision by whom, in teams of what size, how many of which were senior professional nurses. And which responsibilities were transferred to you as you completed (how? Theoretical and practical exams of what nature, structure and duration?). Also how many academic papers of how many words and at what level.

Where such information does not already exist on the website of your university, or of your professional registration body, or was not in handouts issued to you while studying, collect the info and tabulate it yourself (possibly with memory-jogging conversations with your co-students or former lecturers). Then get someone from one of those institutions or a senior nurse or an HR department to stamp and sign your table to certify that it adequately describes the qualification and training you have.

Before you embark on that exercise, I suggest you read the above Swiss rules, so that you can see where/how you can demonstrate that your courses really tick all the boxes at all the levels of what a person qualifying in Switzerland would have to complete.

Good luck!

My 2 cents:

We started the process to get my Wife's USA BSN degree and experience verified by SRK. She then took a year to pass French B2 and 2 years later she got her qualifications verified last week at ISCED level 6 (Bachelor's in Nursing) to work in Switzerland.

I believe that if your education is not at par with Swiss education then they ask you to take extra course and come up to their qualification level; This was not the case for us though and my wife has a Nursing degree from USA. We still live in US and palling to start looking for a job in CH soon.

Hope this helps... Good luck everyone

If you know of a good place to start searching jobs, please let me know. We already have a French resume and application letter with picture and positing CV on jobs.ch, jobmas, indeed etc.

Very informative, thank you for sharing with everyone. You mentioned that you still live in USA. Does it mean that your wife was able to start and complete the evaluation without a residense permit?

This is indeed good news, and may give hope to the many users that have posted on this thread. Sounds like it was quite a long process! May I ask, is it the full nursing qualification, or the CNA-type qualification as mentioned in posts above?

Do either of you have Swiss or EU citizenship in addition to American? I ask because it seems like a lot of work to go through the qualification process to "hopefully" get a job here. Even if her qualifications have been recognized, if she's not a Swiss or EU citizen the employer would have to go through the non-EU hiring process. Given that there's a shortage of qualified nurses and doctors that shouldn't be too tough, but some employers might not be familiar with the process.

As for where to start looking, since she speaks French you'll want to mostly search in the French-speaking areas. CHUV is the hospital I hear about most on this Forum. It's in Lausanne. Maybe check their jobs board?

That's another of my questions. A number of people who have posted above found they could not get a full recognition without a residence permit already in hand. If it is indeed possible to do this without Swiss/EU citizenship AND without a residence permit, it is reason for celebration!!

My wife and I live in USA. She is EU citizen and American. I am American citizen... We were able to go from start to finish while in US with no travel or residence permit to CH.

We started our application saying she is EU citizen; So she can continue the official verification process without B2 certificate in hand. Since her education is from US she could not carry on (even when she is EU citizen) after the preliminary assessment and had to pass B2 before starting official verification by SRK. That's why took us 2 years to complete. You don't have to wait for B2 if your education is from EU.. but have to show them the certificate before the final decision..

Make sure to provide syllabus, Course details, and ALL education certificates from High school to degree (if you have it). My wife had Bachelors of Science in Nursing so she got ISCED level 6. If you have anything less line CNA then your level will be lower or if you have Masters or PHD then you will be ISCED level 7 or 8 respectively..

In another thread, https://www.englishforum.ch/introduc...s-ca-zh-2.html there was some mention of nurses or carers/assistants working for depressingly low pay. I'd like to describe a scenario in which this happens in Switzerland, while making it clear that a proper nursing job should be legal, with a proper contract and all the right social security deductions, by nurses who are legally in the country, registered correctly and properly remunerated.

The following is an outline of a very low-paid nursing or caring/assisting option, used for frail patients who live at home .

Scenario

A patient needs home-nursing and is visited by a nurse, typically by a team of nurses of varying qualifications. The costs of this, with the exception of a small self-pay slice, is covered by the mandatory Swiss medical insurance. As the patient's illness or aging progresses, the need for nursing at home increases, and at some point that quantitiy of nursing exceeds what the medical insurance company agrees to pay.

The family, if there is one, and friends, if there are some, rally around and try to care for the person (for free) as best they can, up until the point of exhaustion (or they stop before then, if the relationships are poor, anyway, or if they are busy). This can easily lead to a crisis.

Ways out of the Crisis of Insufficient Nursing Services at Home The easiest way forward is for the frail person to use up their savings, if any, to pay for the nursing hours not covered by the medical insurance. Possibly, the family and friends might also contribute towards the nursing bill.

Another way is to do battle with the medical insurance company: some are more generous, others shirk their responsibility. There is a commonly held, but inaccurate , notion that the medical insurance company need not cover home-nursing costs in excess of what it would have cost the medical insurance company had the patient submitted to moving into an nursing home.

However, in 2019, Frau Stephanie Burger (83), took the case of the costs of her husband's home-nursing all the way through all the levels of Court, until the Swiss Supreme Court ruled in her favour . https://www.beobachter.ch/familie/al...-bundesgericht

This judgment confirmed that, if it can be shown that the overall well-being of the patient would be significantly better at home than in a nursing-home, this artificial ceiling can be exceeded.

If no-one has the nerves, energy or money for the above, the patient is either moved to a nursing-home (which may, or may not, be better for the patient), or the family then typically hires a nurse or carer/assistant from Eastern Europe.

Hiring a low-paid Nurse, typically from Eastern European countries in the EU (and illegally from non-EU countries)

If the hiring is done directly, it is by personal recommendation. In some cases, an Eastern European woman who does speak some German, is hired to be with the frail person, and live in their home with them, on duty 24-hours a day, for 6 days. The family covers one day, so the poor woman can get a breath of fresh air and be alone for a while, and go out in her own time.

Clearly, under such conditions, the employer is not acting legally, and the nurse/carer is not working legally. Officially she is visiting Switzerland as a tourist, and that does not allow employment. In addition, it is illegal to employ someone at a radically exploitative (so-called "dumping") wage, relative to the going market rate, and also illegal not to insure them properly for accidents and social security contributions.

This scheme has become significantly easier as more countries have joined the EU, since now a much larger pool of people from economies where Fr. 10 feels like a princely sum, may enter Switzerland legally, at least as tourists, for at least for 3 months. Their potential employers in Switzerland could go the proper route of hiring and registering them, but that would also lead to having to pay them a fair wage, so many avoid this by pretending that the woman is just here on holiday.

If the patient's need of care is ongoing, such an employee leaves Switzerland before her tourist stay is over, and her sister comes to work, in her stead, for the next 3-months-minus-one-day tourist stay. In this way, one unregistered job can be shared by a family, with two or three or four women enduring such circumstances, each for a phase, in order to bring home money from Switzerland.

Although a lot of such deals are done illegally, there are also agencies which claim to provide a similar service, but doing everything legally.

As far as we read about it, such staff are formally employed by an agency in their home country (at a wage that seems reasonable there, but is very low for Switzerland) and merely "sent to work abroad" in Switzerland. In this way, the agencies avoid the reproach of paying a dumping wage. Those agencies say that their staff are insured properly, and that they are contractually entitled to more hours off-duty per week.

In any case, the option of hiring in such a nurse or carer is available, at all, only to those who can afford her salary, whether adequate or exploitatively low.

Options for Patients who Need many Hours of Nursing at Home

Those who need a lot of nursing but do not have the money to pay for it properly in Switzerland, have the following options open to them: move into a nursing-home (the costs are covered in part by the patient themselves until their assets have been depleted, in part by the medical insurance company, and any amount beyond that is covered by the municipality) emigrate to a country where the carer wages are low, and there enter a nursing-home or employ [more affordable] home-nursing capitulate and become dependent upon their families, if those families can/will support them capitulate and have insufficient nursing, with their condition worsening commit suicide. This latter may sound dramatic, and it is a testimony to the inadequacy of the Swiss network of care, yet it is a decision taken by some chronically ill and some aging people. The main organisations which are involved in providing a framework are called Exit and Dignitas, and there are a few smaller organisations, too.