1) is there any situation you need to see more than 50m
2) is there any location you can drive more than 60
can we assume that you therefore shouldn't have them on there ever?
But this having occurred in Kreis 5
The title of this thread is incorrect:
Jaywalking and other ridiculous fines in Zürich
So define "significantly" please. In Germany, the definition is "50 meters visibility" for both front and back. This has changed in 2007 after the vague law before was hard to implement.
Yes, I would assume exactly that. Do you see any need for them when driving 30 in a well lit street?
My worst was in Basel and not stopping at a stop sign on my bicycle. I simply slowed down and looked left/right (i.e. yield or give way) but as I didn't have a foot on the ground I got a CHF 60 fine. I can understand driving a car at 50 km/h... but me.
Here is the 2010 version of § 17 III StVO. The 50m visibility requirement applies to back fog lights only and only in case of fog:
....and possibly walking in a loud shirt in a built-up area during the hours of darkness along with smelling of foreign food?
I would have shot you *
One of my pet hates is dazzly fog lights in the rain.
* Metaphorically of course. I'm not a psycho.
That's correct. I googled yesterday and ended up on a driving school website that claimed 50 meters for both (and said this changed in 2007).
So the original text only asks for seriously bad visibility. So: When is it seriously bad?
On a related note: A friend of mine lost his license for six months once as the cops caught him driving drunk. They didn't originally stop him for driving badly, but only because he had his fog lights on... I told him for years to stop that stupid habit.
Amogles you were lucky back there not to be fined with loitering with intent (intent to take a photo ) or accused of loitering to fool passing motorists into believing you wanted to cross, when you didn't, causing all those tailgaters to colide in typical Zurich fashion! Hence provoking great cost to the insurance companies and subsequent rise in premiums...
There must be a fine for that-but instead you got an innocent policeman who gave you helpful advice!
German law and its application isn't tied to definitions to the same extent as anglo-american laws tend to be.
Example: The text quoted above relates to poor visibility due to rain, fog or snow only . However, visibility could be poor due to hail, spray or sandstorms (no joking, there was a horrible accident just last week in Northern Germany because of that) as well. No German judge will nail you on that because hail, spray or sandstorms are not referred to in the law.
The threshold for having to turn the front lights on due to poor visibility must obviously be lower (=longer distance) than the 50m requirement for the back fog lights.
Well, yes. But the example was getting a fine for having them on during "too light" rain. I cannot really believe it is at the cops discretion to judge when the rain is strong enough to switch them on. So if the city needs money the rain is getting lighter?
Especially you!
Grrrr. The worst was the police man... he was very friendly. I mean! I wasn't in the mood for morning chit chat after this incident and he was like (in English), "yeah no need to pay it now... have a good day!".
The opposite... I was walking Manchester city centre one day and the police man opposite just crossed the road without waiting for the green man. I was like, "hey you!"--well I didn't but it crossed my mind.
Actually the swiss law is quite clear in this respect:
Article 32^1 of the Traffic Rule Regulation says that you are only allowed to use fog lights (both front and back) or cornering lights if visibility is below 50 m due to snow, rain or fog.
Just for the record, I looked up the source I talked about yesterday:
In Switzerland you are only allowed you use your fog lights - front and back -when the visibility is below 50 meters.
It was newly introduced in this explicit way in 2007, in article 32 of the Swiss VRV: http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/741_11/a32.html
I love it. Regulations about when you can use foglights. Are there any regulations about when, how and which fingers you can use your while driving?
Where did you do your driving test then? I didn't do mine in Switzerland either but I could never remember the rules about foglights as they are complicated, and differ front and back etc.
Remember a narrow winding road with bends in quick sucession was one of the places you were allowed the front foglights without fog tho'...
Though the UK doesn't have any jay-walking laws, and it is convention to cross the road as and when you like (so long as this isn't likely to cause you to die).
Neil
Typical Swiss overreaction
I mean, imagine giving a fine for jaywalking!! Better approach described here
Is that so? So when exactly did Northern Ireland leave the United Kingdom?
I think some people get confused between (a) a country that has rules and the personnel to enforce them, as well as the population in general the will to try and keep them, and (b) that rules exist.