And now that I think of it my very first ever GF in Switzerland was doing her bookstore apprenticship when we met. So quite definitely a pattern.
An ex-GF of my did the bookstore apprenticeship and later worked for Orell Füssli. One of the great perks was being able to buy (and even order) books at a considerable reduction - which I frequently got to benefit from as well. There must be something that job that attracts me apparently, as my present OH also did the same apprenticeship but never got to work in a bookstore. She went to work for a publisher instead (which shows how broad the training is).
No one is perfect
but did you enquire in which country the employees of the reputable company apprenticed?
Can’t comment on Polish/Ukrainian builders in the UK. Conventional wisdom seems to be most Brits couldn’t be bothered anymore and EE craftsmen aren’t that keen after Brexit either.
I did not. The job was ordered by a landlord, so I didn't really get involved, just observed how they did the work and all the issues that remained.
EE craftsmen is deffo an issue now in the UK, same as for workers in Horeca. Many owners of restaurants complain that they can't hire good work force since Brexit/Covid. Lots left, locals do not want to work or average quality.
So true, I hear “Swiss " being used constantly instead of Switzerland !!! Most of them speak reasonably good English...
Wow didn't know doropfiz has an alt.
In what country is English spoken? British Airways?
You prefer bookworms?
Let me rephrase so I conform with PC:
You prefer bibliophile girls?
Not just bibliophile but bibliopolic.
Maybe that makes me a bibliopolicophile.
I'm curious, how far ahead did you book them to do the work?
the professionalised manual workforce in CH is frustrating and a challenge for those who don’t necessarily have “that” piece of paper, but may very well have worked in eg book stores, fruit/veg shops, restaurants/cafés, done translation (in my case a lot) to earn the money to pursue a Bachelor’s/Masters/PhD. Experience seems to always count second to the CH piece of paper
How is that any different anywhere, and everywhere?
Assuming the Swedes are unfamiliar with the apprenticeship system, how far does an apprenticed Swiss carpenter without experience get in Stockholm?
And what use is a PhD on the Inuit's language for someone looking for a welding job anywhere in the developed world?
You can work in a book store without that diploma . But that doesn’t make you a book seller . Just as the guy who carries bricks all day isn’t a bricklayer . Or not every guy who works in a hospital is a surgeon .
So the whinge of this thread has turned from, the Swiss are poorly educated, to the Swiss attach too much importance to education?
Perception of "being educated" changes all the time: from having a piece of paper to knowing how to do something, from knowing data packs to knowing how/where to find them or how to use them, what is considered a skill or a competence.. On top, society has started to consider quiet introverts or those who don't brand themselves as odd or uneducated. A bunch of points of view on edu.
OP talked about some craftmanship, or service, so he probably meant it that way...I had some incredibly good service done and some incredibly bad, as is expected where people learn by doing and you sometimes get a stagier/trainee/apprentice/assistant to do the job. While system values the training opportunity, a customer becomes one of the educating part, the customer might not be used to it nor agree to that role.
Whether society values education is really hard to determine without saying for what purpose or what education actually represents.
I didn't, my landlord did. I reckon few months in advance for sure, he basically waited for a tenant to show up to commence kitchen replacement. I know the name of the company who did the work...
Pedantic git.
Oh, you are going to get some nice Comments to your Post.
As someone coming from Germany now, I do understand that Swiss Education considered to be higher than Germany. Don ́t ask me how and why, but that is the "Talk" I always heard in Germany.
Personally, I saw and I think (and having some Teachers in the Family) that in any Country in any School it rises and fall on the Class Teacher.
About resources though - I think nothing can beat the Swiss Education resources in terms of Sports Facilities / In School Pools and so on.
It is then a personal flavour I guess for each individual to decide what is more important.
On a side note, I come from a Country where Education System is "poor" in Swiss Terms and definitely we have no Resources and usually 40 Kids in a Class (and always shortage of Classes due to high Birth rate, a lot of Foreigners working there and Budget that is diverted to Security. But guess what? My Country is the #1 Startup Nation with HUGE R&D Centres of Apple, Microsoft, FB, Nvidia and u name it.
Romania? I've heard there's a large expat community of Romanians in Seattle, Washington, many of whom are employed by Microsoft.
His profile says Israel.
I didn't find it on top of this list (random first pick) but three places above Switzerland.
Israel. Is there such a High Tech Scene in Romania?