Looking to build American style homes back in Switzerland

If you go back to my original post you will see my target market are guys relocating to Swiss finance industry from US and yes at the higher end of the scale. This is normal world over for people to want what they are comfortable with, I live in the Hamptons where everything is shingled but both of my homes are Italian in style.

Peoples have been sharing architecture styles/influences for a long long time. They are usually adapted to the local tastes, climate, etc. There is quite a lot of Italian influenced architecture in the UK. The Palladian style is just one example of many.

As for the original question, KiwiJay, you really have to get down deep into the details of land prices, zoning, height, roof pitch restrictions, size of house per plot, style restrictions etc, etc, etc. These vary quite a lot by canton and commune. In some places, for example, you can't build anything besides a chalet. I'm not sure about restrictions on materials. But I wouldn't be surprised if there were.

Sorry but I'm doing this move for business not to solve the housing problems of Switzerland. And before you say it being from New Zealand I've set up a housing company in Christchurch NZ to help after the earthquakes where there is NOWHERE to live and making bugger all while employing people and helping people get back to having a home.

Thanks very much, yes we built in Basel, Fribourg and Locarno and you are right I had to have a translator with me most of the time in Ticino but think French and German speaking areas I should be OK. One of my good friends is an Architect in Basel and he's a wealth of info also.

As this is an expats site I just figured I'd ask

My road has an out of place pink villa right in the middle of traditional UK two up two down properties and as nice as it may be, it looks out of place. Just because you can doesn't mean you should!

Based on what you've already built in Switzerland have you managed to work out your current average building cost per square cubic meter for a home with the technology you propose? What is the difference from your technology to the Minergie standards currently being built here? Are you up to building customized homes on steep slopes?

We searched all over our area here in Switzerland for a house we would like to live in. Unfortunately the older houses on the market are rarely ever upgraded and can be difficult to modify to the standards we would want. New houses typically built by developers, squeeze every dollar and have no concept of what luxury truly means. We are working with a local architect and it's been a challenge to bring him along and away from the standard boxy concrete flat roof style that is the biggest trend here. After numerous meetings he is finally starting to get the concept.

We ended up buying an old holiday house for the location and land value. The houses in our area have numerous architectural influences and few follow any set Swiss style. We think our biggest challenge will be the Baueinsprache from the neighbors but thats probably another thread.

It sounds like you have a good concept, experience in the country along with connections here already so don't listen to this lot of naysayers.

That is a different kettle of fish and a matter of taste. People freaked out when Art Nouveau houses started popping up. Though sadly I have a feeling that pink villa is not of particular architectural value.

The houses the OP posted don't look like they would particularly out of style here if they are covered in stucco. If it were some clapboard house, that probably would a bit strange.

My guess would be the communes will not let him build anything to out of place.

Yes, this is a harsh crowd! It sounds like you have more than "I spent 30 minutes on google and now I want to come over" - so I wish you luck. We would have loved to find an ICF house back when we were looking in upstate NY in 2003 - happy to say that they are becoming more popular. They makes sense from an energy efficiency and strength standpoint!

My road has a Swiss log style chalet and also a matter of taste. It sticks out compared to the rest of the modern square concrete boxes around, and I think that is ok. It gives us something to talk about...

You do realise there are severe restrictions on foreign land ownership in Switzerland? I'm not sure your targets would be legally in a position to buy property.

This is a very important point.

As much as I'd love a house with decent walk-in closets - and better yet, an architect who understood why this is an important point and was actually willing to build what the client wants - the problem in much of Switzerland, especially in small villages (where building land might be available), is that everything depends on connections.

We made the mistake of hiring an architect from Zürich to rubberstamp the renovation plans for our house in SZ. (In order to get the local construction manager we wanted to work with, we had to add on his architect.) But ours is one of those tight knit villages; we found out later that the reason that our permits were denied was the architect. Had we gone with a local guy we would have been granted the permits. It's all about one hand washing the other in these little towns.

So something to think of: could you deal with this kind of village administration?

And don't gloss over the problem of finding land. For instance, I live in an area where no piece of building land has been for sale in the 10 years I have lived here. Yet new buildings have sprung up all around me. Rumor has it that all the farmers in the area have optioned off their land to developers. Once a zoning change is allowed (which happens because the developer's brother-in-law's cousin's wife went to Kindergarten with the big cheese in the Gemeinde) the developer is sitting pretty. 'Unconnected' folks do not have a chance to buy land.

And if you are targeting the luxury market, reputation is everything. Now - you and I and any other American knows that we do actually build top-quality homes when we want to. But as you can see from the comments on this thread, many Swiss and Europeans have a very poor impression of US-anything. You will have to fight the 'McMansion' image. Think about how you would go about establishing a reputation for quality.

I don't mean to rain on your parade. If I ever find my plot of land I'd love to build a home with the best of 'american-ish' features, one that isn't a concrete box fish bowl. But as a foreigner myself I lack the connections to get the project through (been there, done that - or rather, wasn't allowed to do that) and so I must rely on a locally-connected builder to do that for me. Which means I'll likely be stuck with a depressing cookie-cutter concrete box.

Good luck with your plans - but make sure you fully understand the lay of the land.

Nor should they if he is targeting expats on temporary contracts. The housing market here is very, um, special.....

But that is a horse of a different color.

Yes, but are there enough US finance guys moving to make a viable business? Given the increasing reluctance of anyone to hire Americans here I’m not sure you’d find enough clients. And unless they’re prepared to pay you in cash - quite possible I grant you if they’re as wealthy as you make out - they may find it impossible to get a mortgage. If they’re rich enough it might not pose a problem, but I do know some people here have been refused a mortgage simply because of the blue passport.

Here are my thoughts: what is the point/objective of this thread?

Is it to get advice from a bunch of (random) ex-pats about building regulations... really?

Or rather is it to drum up potential business? In which case, shouldn't this be in commercial?

From your original post, I'm just not sure what you are trying to do. Why would anyone employ a middle man, who by your own admission uses Swiss architects (or has in the past) and has already worked here, so should know most of the answers to the questions he has and if not, already has access to people who do...

Confusing and brings me back to the original question of my post...

This is the same all over the world not just Switzerland, I've yet to find anywhere where it isn't case of what you know but who you know, and as always money talks!!

Yupp. Good, innit

Note the amount of useful info also given.

True dat - but in my little village, money doesn't always say the right thing.

Born-and-bred-in-the-valley gazillionaire gets what he wants when he wants it regardless of rules and regulations.

Outsider gazillionaire (that means anyone whose great great grandfather was not born in this valley, including those diabolical Zürcher newcomers) gets what he wants only if he has a local frontman and himself keeps a discrete low profile*.

Nothing brings smiles 'round the Stammtisch as much as taking an uppity furriner who has made the mistake of flashing his money down a peg or two.

* Discrete low profile often includes living in a tiny shoebox of a house. Which is something the OP needs to understand as he defines his target market.

mental note - stay out of SZ We haven't come across that sentiment too much here, although we didn't try and build. But there are plots of land for sale on the town website (at least they were there the last time I looked) so I do think these things are possible...

People here in the edges of Canton St. Gallen seem to be a nicer breed, perhaps!

To get the tax breaks guys HAVE to spend the money in Switzerland which is good all round as it keeps the money there. Theres that good old saying where there's a will there's a way.

As you are asking for our thoughts:

I think rebuilding historical architecture in its own place is crime that should bring capital punishment, but for rebuilding it out of its area there is not one strong enough, but I am sure you will find buyers for it (and if google show me right what Hampton style luxury home is). And at least prince Charles would support you.

On the other hand this thread is professionally interesting for me. I came here to work as an architect in a rather small office with the idea of superior precise ultra modern Swiss architecture full of innovation in (re)building methods, researching new engineering methods and materials. What I found is very conservative building that is taking a lot (too much) from the end-of-19th-century-bourgeoisie apartments buildings. Not just how to organize them but also how they are build. Yes, now after one year of living here I understand why. So we are far from the top architecure you can find in Netherlands, Scandinavia or Austria.

Thing that should be interesting for your business is how things are moving here with buildings codes etc. I have a friend who is making plans for NZ office so I know that the ways are as different as the locations of both countries are far away. A lot of the land is not available to be built right away but you have to go through the changing of community plans. That means a lot of expensive and time consuming procedures where you have to deal with many neighbors, usually by paying them compensations. You can go official way but it will take you at least year more. Even where you can build immediately you will have to deal with them and the-not-so-clear rules. There is a lot of negotiation. You should know by now that Switzerland is land of (un)written rules which they are able to apply. And as it was written before, people are taking local architects just for this purpose. You will not see many buildings from non-Swiss architects here.

Buildings are very expensive here, to build a moderately luxury house on the outskirts of Luzern will cost 4-6 millions franks (land, compensations, building) and architects take a hefty part of this. We dont have just a coffee machine in a office but also fridge with Champagne. But the good part (for you) is that you dont need any proof of professional qualification for calling yourself architect and bring plans to Geminde.

And when I look on the market here, if you are able to finance the cost of the land during the time till you start building, plans and etc than I am sure you can succeed. Because foreigners are always astonished with the amount of effort you need here to spend your money on housing.

Thanks so much, My Wifes family are one of the founding families of Zermatt and Saas Fee so we certainly have contacts, from the outside most of my homes look similar to what you guys have their already its just the layout is a bit different thats all.