MBA in Switzerland or France

is online an option?

Maybe as the last option but I would prefer in class. Network is quite important part of this type of study. Plus, it will be totally new country for me, I would like to know people and get new friends.

I agree with you, doing it fully online would mean missing a huge part of the whole experience : working with others, learning form them, especially if they have a different professional or cultural background. Team spirit is also a very important factor to keep motivated.

If you are studying something niche or specialised, then such networking is extremely valuable, as in the absence of regular attendences at conference and expensive commercial training courses such meetings do not occur very often.

Besides which the course meetings are frequent enough to encourage real bonding, and the personal backgrounds diverse enough to offer a whole new perspective on your chosen topic...

dave

Guys, what is your opinion about an MBA from INSEEC and ESC schools (something like this: http://masters.inseec-france.com/fr/...ammes-proposes or this: http://www.school-business.com/about...nnes/index.php ) How those schools valued on the European job market? They all write very nice stuff about their program and potentials but how to evaluate a real outcome?

Alain

I graduated from there in 2000.

There were about 4-6 students who were 'sponsored', and some 75 who were not. Most, like myself, had saved up for many years. Some had taken out loans etc...

I doubt the ratio would have changed much in the interim.. the economics of a business degree remain pretty much unchanged.

i'd say that's just about the absolute minimum.. from what i understand, you really want to be shooting for 650 - of course, only if the school you are after is after GMAT scores ... not all of them are

There were about 4-6 students who were 'sponsored', and some 75 who were not. Most, like myself, had saved up for many years. Some had taken out loans etc...

I doubt the ratio would have changed much in the interim.. the economics of a business degree remain pretty much unchanged.[/QUOTE]

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Are the returns on a business degree unchanged too ?

The cost of MBA may be tax deductible. That diminishes the pain somewhat.

It's worth doing MBA only in top schools, everything else is a real waste of money & time!!!

i.e. using your criteria (Switzerland or France) it would be: INSEAD, HEC Paris, IMD.

I did an EMBA in Monaco and found some of the courses to be very interesting. Some were a waste of time. Would I recommend the course - not sure, depends what you want out of it. There were some very good lecturers there and some not so good.

Has it benefited me? probably not as I would be where I am now without it.

It is true though that if you really want to get ahead, go to the big schools, the rest like Monaco don't really give you any benefit. It's all much a do about nothing.

There are other courses you can do tailored specifically to a job which last 3-6 months. An MBA is made up of a series of these. It depends what you really want to do.

The answer really depends on your profile and expectations. I'd say you have three tiers of business schools :

- The top schools, some of which you already mentioned

- A middle-tier, mostly business schools part of public universities, where teachers are less prestigious but where you must reach a certain level to get a degree.

- A lower tier, where I'd put the schools where even if you must attend courses you feel like buying a degree.

I went to what I would qualify as as middle-tier school, namely Institut d'Administration des Entreprises in Grenoble. They are a serious school that is part of the french university system, and where teaching is done by researchers, full-time teachers and external consultants. You get no brand recognition, but what I would consider as a solid basic business education. The experience can be very different depending on individuals, how you get involved in the courses, not only studying to pass the exam, how you network (or not) with fellow students, and how, once you have your degree, you get to apply what you just learned, and keep your newly acquired skills up to date.

Once again this choice is really personal, and one should really balance the investment (in time & money) required by a given school with the expected benefits before choosing.

I'd only warn you about schools that I put in the lower tier, when I was looking for a business school, I got in touch with a few of those, where most of the focus seemed to be on paying the tuition, where the academic requirements seemed way too low, and as one of the colleagues I asked for advice told me "It would be en embarrassment to put their name on your CV"

It is true though that if you really want to get ahead, go to the big schools, the rest like Monaco don't really give you any benefit. It's all much a do about nothing.

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why only the big schools ? Apparently you get an alumni network from there but you get that also from the 'not so big schools', no ?

What is the main advantage of the big schools ?

Sure you get an alumni network, but by their very nature the smaller schools don't attract people as driven as the bigger schools. the best people from industry have been to the big name schools just about always.

It's not to say the smaller school progams are bad or anything, they certainly help in your business appreciation.

But don't expect the smaller schools to give you the opportunities big schools give, the name alone talks.

It's basically the big schools or nothing if you really want to make it.

But then it comes down to what you want and as I said before other courses cover the different sections of an MBA and are applicable to their job sectors. They are comparable in content as well.

An MBA is not necessarily the big helper it is portrayed as. It really comes down to your current circumstances and where you want to go.

[QUOTE=Zurichowl;301215]Sure you get an alumni network, but by their very nature the smaller schools don't attract people as driven as the bigger schools. the best people from industry have been to the big name schools just about always. It's not to say the smaller school progams are bad or anything, they certainly help in your business appreciation.

But don't expect the smaller schools to give you the opportunities big schools give, the name alone talks.

It's basically the big schools or nothing if you really want to make it.

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Thanks. The only question would be: When you say 'if you really want to make it' what does it mean ? Harvard graduates about 900 students a year. How many of these students make it 'big' ?

So would you agree that since the name alone talks, these schools are more or less screening institutions for the 'most driven' ? The reason I ask is, I look at the content of Harvard's MBA and a solid middle tier school and it was the same courses, same format etc. They even ask for the same GMAT score etc. The tuition fees are different, though.

I don't know the difference when it really gets down to the course. We had lecturers who had been to Harvard and one who was top of his year at Wharton and that is really something (Wharton).

Course content is difficult to guage, it comes down to the lecturer, same as any course at any level.

It's also probably the same as any line of service or goods, you pay for the label.

But it's also true that the really smart people go to the best schools. Also not all 900 will end up as high flyers, it just can't happen.

It's difficult to generalise because there are always exceptions.

It's also true that if you do an MBA and pay for it yourself (not necessary) people will respect you for the time and effort you put into doing it no matter where you go. So to say some schools are a waste of time is probably not true. If the people who go there achieve their goals then it is worth it. Not everyone wants to be boss of a business leader.

I also work with people who think an MBA is an indication of someone who doesn't know what they're doing. They've apparently lost touch with reality.

I have CFA and currently looking to get an Executive MBA. IMD seems like a good choice for me since I am planning to move to Zurich (as soon as I will find job there). My questions will be how valuable that diploma? What would be a range salary available to me after graduation? I am a bit disappointed that program has a minimum age limit of 34. I will be 31 this year and would like to go as soon as possible. Is there any suggestions in that regard?

How is that program in terms of business network especially in Europe and Switzerland? Thank you

Hi Igor

The value of the IMD EMBA is particularly good in Switzerland and Europe. As one of the top European schools, IMD is very well known and respected.

Regarding the age, IMD doesn't actually have an age limit but rather looks at work experience. The requirement for the Exec MBA is a minimum of 10 years.

If you drop me a PM, I'll gladly put you in touch with one of our EMBA Program Advisors.

Good luck

Nats

This would be great. Please give me e-mail so I can send you my resume.

Does IMD actually helping with job placement of it alumni? Is there a chance to get any type of scholarship and what is needed for that?

Thank you

Hi again

As I would prefer not to publish my email address on the forum, please send me a message through this site and I will respond to you.

Cheers

Nats