I found it online. In my case Motoscout24.ch
I narrowed my search down to the area where I live (+ 50km radius), budget, type etc
Last week there were three Hornet 600s for sale, between 2500-3500 CHF in the Geneva/Lausanne area. Two were offered by a garage (one with 6 months warranty but more than 60k km), 1 private. I went for the one that felt right, i.e. private seller.
Good luck!
ST2 is only +1 on the rear, but also -1 on the front.
I.e. all have 43T rears.
+1
Tom
Last season's end one there was an Aprilia Future selling for under 3k, missed that one by an hour...
A lot of sellers are crazy with asking preicesmbut there are some bargains to be found. Ten days ago there was also an S2R in Lausanne for 3.5k with reasonable mileage and didn't need much. Owner lost the license and is selling. Don't know if still up for sale but similar spec Monsters can easily go for 5k++
I am looking at adverts for ER-6 motorbikes and many got the 33/25kw restriction. Is the restriction easily removable, and cheap. Or I better not consider buying the restricted ones and hoping I can un-restrict for low cost/labour ?
pit
I am not trying to get all power I can and play badass newbie
Simply I cannot pass the permit exam on a 25 kw and thus I need a 35kw min moto. This is why I am asking. I could buy a 25kw at a good price, even learn restricted. And then remove it (if it is possible) and get ready for the permit in a couple of months.
pit
If you buy from a garage you ask the garage to put it in or take it out free of charge.
If you buy from an individual then you get him to do it or to pay for it.
It is actually a good idea to learn on a limited 600cc bike. The power is the same at the lower end, and you get used to the weight and how it handles. When you get the full permit, take the limiter out and you can drive a bit faster. It will be familiar and you will know what you are doing.
The Honda CBF600 NA I posted a link to here above, is the perfect learning bike. It is a lot of fun but very forgiving. You can make a few mistakes on this bike without ending up in a ditch. It also has ABS, new tires, new breaks, new battery - and the price... I am practically giving it away.
I applied for the Lernfahrausweis (A permit learning license) on Monday and Friday was there ! Very quick.
There is something I am not sure about on the permit. I sent emails to some driving schools for further info, and in the meantime, maybe someone here knows and could share experience
Wondering: I have got a code on the permit "114" and it says "Gilt nur mit Bescheinigung der Grundschulung" . Does that mean I need to take some sort of class before I am allowed to drive anything? Which would mean I have to find an instructor to come to me the first time. Is my assumption correct ?
pit
In the meantime you can only take as a passenger someone with a valid A license.
Enjoy and safe rides!
The learning permit is only valid for Switzerland and not recognized abroad, so you'll probably get in trouble if you pass the border to either France or Germany.
Things went so fast. I applied for a license a Monday Received it the Friday Bought a motorbike on Sunday Insured and registered the following Monday And here we are, I am just back fom Zurich (to Basel) for my very very first ride on the beast. With a dumb smile on the face hiding into the helmet.
For the curious grand beginners like me (and maybe digging souvenirs for others ). I share my experience, despite the weather and challenges, it just entered the top of my best days in my life:
Some data: I got my car license for over 15 years, so the road is not something new to me. I am (well) over 25 thus I acquired a HONDA CBF 600 ABS. I also bought from a shop called POLO the complete rider gears (Security first and then the fun). As for 2 wheels data, I used to ride a 50cc when I was a teenager.
Impressions/surprises/challenges:
The weather was not with me: snow/rain/wind more than half the way. But at least it will help me remember that trip (had to stop at some point, my fingers were so painfully frozen).
I think there was a "reusable" skill from the 2 wheels 50cc driving , the counter steering. In the 1st turn, I felt like naturally doing it again, and because of the weight of the CBF, I was quite surprised how much more effective it is (on a 50cc, if you do well there, then on a motorbike shall be super easy and you will love it).
However when into roundabouts (and all slow speed turns in towns) I was struggling a bit, the front of the CBF was putting lot of weight to turn the front wheel and made it feel hard to control.
Since I am discovering braking, all the way to Basel, I stayed pretty far from any vehicle, I also did not push the engine over 8000 tr/min and thus cannot describe above.
Another challenge was to start from red lights. I annoyed few people because of taking my time to properly start on 1st gear. After changing gears up or down was very simple, I found.
I wanted to avoid cities... and I failed. Missed a turn and entered Basel centre. That part was not fun. Pay attention to everything, while learning basics. I want first to practice on less busy roads.
And overall: what a pleasure to ride the motorbike on the roads in the beautiful Switzerland, probably one of the best stressfree therapy ever !
That's for my noob first steps motorcyclist first impressions.
Next step is the courses and learn things properly.
pit
PS: any recommendation around Basel for a garage (in CH)
I am taking the Grundkurs with an instructor named Marcelo Bargas. His Motorcycle school website is derfahrlehrer.ch . He speaks very well english and i am happy with his class. He explains well, and is a good teacher in general..
Pit
I have asked my question in a different thread and hopefully people reply there too