Apart from the both of you getting better (and quieter) sleep, were there any obvious health benefits for your hubby? (eg weight loss, better energy or concentration, etc) ?
I had this problem too. Each week Iâd buy about 4 multipacks of chocolate bars and eat and average of 3-4 bars per night which also messed with my sleep.
I just stopped buying it and so when I got the munchies at night, there would be nothing there to tempt me to eat.
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Wouldnât be suprised if I am somewhere in the middle. Not to share too much, but here is a typical sleep week O2 from my Garmin Fenix 7. Caveat: Itâs not a precise reading, probably around 4-or 5% lower reading than a medical grade device. But the trend is pretty accurate otherwise:
The gaps are the awake time (no readings)
Can you provide a link to where you can buy this? I would like to monitor myself and my daughter. I believe we both have obstructive sleep apnea.
Yep, he had more energy, didnât fall asleep in the chair in the evenings and lost some weight.
He didnât believe me when I said I thought his general tiredness and other stuff was related to his snoring until he saw the specialist and did the sleep test. He wasnât convinced that he needed it and almost cancelled the appointment.
To say he was shocked by the results would be an understatement.
He was averaging 56 episodes of apnea per minute which sounds impossible to me but she showed us all the readings.
Now he rarely has any at all now, he checks his numbers on the system every morning.
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The graph is from a Garmin Fenix 7, which I wouldnât recommend for a medical analysis.
For our son, I bought a Pulox PO-400 which was fanttastic as it had a child and adult sensor, but now outdated / discontinued. I would probably recommend the newer Checkme 02 : https://www.galaxus.ch/en/s6/product/pulox-checkme-o2-ecg-pulse-oximeters-17524617
EDIT: Check also pulox.ch . They have all the models there, including the PO-400. Interestingly they have a SAS-500 model specifically for sleep apnea, but I wouldnât go this far without medical guidance.
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That looks exactly like the one I saw on aliexpress: Bluetooth wrist oximeter Spo2 heart rate pulse oximeter wearable sleep apnea alarm blood oxygen watch continuous monitoring - AliExpress
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After the experience with my eldest son, I think a basic SPO2 meter (finger clip) belongs in every household medical kit, next to the thermometer, especially if you have kids.
Iâm sorry but the maths doesnât add up for this sort of thing.
Correlation isnât causation.
Perhaps, in those winters where you lost weight, the time that you spent at the climbing wall was time when you werenât snacking on food.
For comparison, for a time in the UK, I used to train on a wall three times a week and spend every weekend climbing on rock.
My weight stayed the same.
People have got to realise that the calories burnt through exercise are really not enough to lose weight. The body will adapt in different ways to the deficit.
As for the calories burnt after exercise, yes this is true but in such a small amount as to be insignificant.
For example, if you went for a half-hour walk every day for a year those calories continuing to be burnt after exercise would add up, over the year, to those in a single MacDonalds meal.
So all that work for a whole year would be a waste of effort!
You could conceivable burn more calories after exercise if it was of a long enough duration and intensity that it caused inflammation in the muscles. The repair process would burn calories.
A couple of weeks ago I burnt (according to my watch), 5000 calories on a bike ride in the mountains. Thatâs two days of food intake.
I did not eat anything extra when I got home - just a normal meal, and on the ride I ate a couple of pieces of flapjack and some jelly beans, and a banana.
I didnât lose any weight.
If people want to lose weight, they need to change their diet. They should exercise for general health and wellbeing.
People thinking they can lose weight through exercise and tell others that, are, in my opinion, on par with RFK. Jr with spreading medical mis-information which is damaging peopleâs long-term health.
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âŚthey should probably stick with what has worked for them in the past.
Anti-science nut job - and youâre a mod too. I should flag your posts for medical misinformation or is that allowed now?
Youâre opinion and input is respected, but so must that of others. Iâd go as far as saying that SN is more scientific, as science understands there are things we know but a lot more we donât.
To put it more simply: Weâve made a lot of scientific advances, but weâve still yet to turn grass into milk.
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Thatâs a pretty big accusation to make based on a post in an internet forum.
Just because somebody elseâs post doesnât 100% agree with yours doesnât necessarily make it totally invalid or wrong. Just as your posts and opinions are not necessarily 100% right either.
The important thing is discussion and getting diverse points of view. Itâs then up to people to form their own opinions based on the information provided by others.
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Another point is when you exercise you build muscle which is additional weight.
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Does that go for anti-vaccine stuff and people believing MMR causing autism or do you, as a mod on this forum, draw the line somewhere?
What you have written sounds like people who refuse to give their children vaccines and say âI did my research on the internetâ.
I donât do research - I let the scientists do that and form an opinion based on that.
Sometimes I try things myself - lose weight, gain weight etc. The results always follow the science.
Lots of what we believe to be true from âresearchâ has been funded dubiously by companies wanting to keep selling, or selling more of their products.
I wrote in another thread recently regarding research - find out who funded the research.
Example I mentioned earlier: Coca-cola:
On January 4, a lawsuit was filed against the worldâs largest beverage company, Coca-Cola, claiming it made misleading claims to consumers. Non-profit organisation Praxis Project has accused both the beverage giant and the American Beverage Association of downplaying the health risks of sugary soft drinks in order to bolster sales.
Such marketing has continued apace in spite of scientific evidence that proves the link between high-sugar beverages and various afflictions, including type 2 diabetes, obesity and cardiovascular diseases.
- Coca-Cola has been accused of promoting the idea that obesity is caused by a lack of exercise, as opposed to what we consume
Coca-Cola has also been accused of promoting the idea that obesity is caused by a lack of exercise, as opposed to what we consume, through the use of ambiguous phrases such as âcalories in, calories outâ and âbalanceâ, which are allegedly promoted to children in particular.
It is this point Praxis Project has focused on in its lawsuit, claiming Coca-Cola lures in customers from a young age in order to encourage them to develop a lifelong habit. The organisation stated in its complaint: âCoca-Cola needs to replenish the ranks of its customers, and it tries to recruit them young.â
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We should be talking about losing fat, not weight. Good point.
May be you should ask @litespeed why he wrote Weight loss rather than Fat loss when he re-started this thread?
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Now what would Ticino Tom have said? Me too
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Muscle is much more energy hungry so the more you have the more calories you burn at rest.
What, for commenting that someone should carry on doing what theyâre doing if it clearly works for them? Donât be so daft.
What they did. Not what they are doing.
Which means everything they did - including what they were eating (or more importantly not eating at that time) .
The exercise itself probably made little impact in creating a calorie deficit and weight loss (despite what people would like to believe having done their âresearchâ.
Thereâs probably some truth in that getting fit means people develop a different outlook on life - they feel better, sleep better, look better and end up eating better.
There are other people who start taking exercise and eat more to compensate, consciously or sub-consciously and end up putting on fat.
Moat serious climbers will try and lose weight for climbing rather than climb to lose weight.
It goes for everything, mods are not here to stifle opinions but we will step in if things get out of hand.
California Dreamer (or whatever he calls himself these days) recently made a post in the vaccine thread which clearly demonstrated his anti-vaccine bias. Should we have deleted that post?
Or should we have left it and let other people express their opinions to counteract his claims which is what we did.
Thatâs discussion is all about.
You do have a very strange way of interpreting posts.
For what itâs worth I am a scientist and I did work for several years in vaccine research so I form my opinions based on both personal experience and research.
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