But hey a part till 5am is just fine
The thing is the OP tried the courteous approach and that failed, for some reason SOME parents believe that they have more rights than any other individuals, due to the children.
When the tables are turned i.e. mess about with their routine/lifestyle and the shoe is on the other foot suddenly parents are up in arms. Fun eh. I just know where to push the buttons and I would do this IF the situation could not be resolved reasonably.
I'd be horrified if a neighbour knocked my door to complain about any noise I try to respect others and their space. Then again I'm a considerate individual until provoked. This also applies to any children visiting my property or those in future I may have myself.
Children (either my relatives or my own in future) would know my neighbours and be taught to respect others. I actually sent my nephew to my neighbour to apologise for jumping around and banging on the floor. The neighbour wasn't bothered and saw the funny side and so did I, but the child learnt a lesson. There are others who live here they have rights to.
I've had asshole neighbors call to complain that my kids are running around when they aren't even home, wearing high-heels when they are in slippers, etc.
My response is to tell them to FO and that they should call the cops and waste their time instead of mine.
Oh, and I ALWAYS win.
Tom
You think my kids are noisy? Vaffanculo, dude!
When we moved here, my wife insisted we had either a house or ground-floor flat so there would be no one below us if the children ran about a bit.
We then told the neighbours that if our children disturbed them at all, to let us know straightaway.
6.30am isn't early. Young children need about 11 hours sleep. My younger two are exhausted and in bed by 7.30pm and so naturally wake at 06:30.
Of course we tell them to keep the noise down at that time.
But, if we forced them to stay awake, they'd get overtired and then the screaming would start.
But to have a wild, noisy party purely because my neighbours kids made a lot of noise (during the day, when they are allowed to), seems pretty childish.
Then again as explained above there are a small minority of people I really like to annoy the selfish idiot sort. I didnt say you were one of these, I said the problem parent in the thread above was.
I can be quite inventive at messing with people. Sometimes you won't realise you've even lost. I like a challenge luckily we don't live in the same house eh.
This is less of a problem in CH/Europe more a problem in the UK, where parents let their kids treat public areas as a personal playground extension. "Please dear don't play on the railway tracks"
This above and quite correctly is exactly a "childish" trigger point which can send a message to those without consideration. I knew exactly what I was suggesting and why.
I should add I love kids + their noise. Nothing better than happy children laughing and running around causing mischief. I'm not a child hater if that's what you think, I just hate inconsiderate selfish unreasonable people.
So many people, all over the world, whether in living quarters or out and about, seem to have no sense of the bare minimum of respect for other people around them... or even acknowledging there are other people around them at times!
We went outside to run around so as not to disturb the neighbours downstairs. My parents thaught us to be considerate.
We also learned to enjoy the outdoors in summer and winter. (more in winter)
Yes it's a parent's goal to teach the kids this, but it doesn't always work
Just imagine how noisy Swiss apartments would be if Swiss parents applied the logic that U.K. parents have in that the streets and parks are a really dangerous place and everyone is out to kidnap their kids?
I know the parks in London are not places to leave kids alone! But I wouldn't do this anywhere. I know many others who do.
I have only ever had people complain in France and it was over crying, which I could not stop. I clearly would have never wanted this either, it's louder in my own flat than theirs.
I would think people would think to be considerate and not want the noise themselves but looking at kids out in restaurants. If my kids where like most of the kids I see when we went go to eat I'd have to ebay them!
Yes.
Tom