Passport advice - newborn

Hi guys.

I can’t see another post like this from searches, so here goes

I’m a Swiss and UK passport holder, raised in the UK but very proud of being Swiss (despite my poor language skills). I like in the UK.

I’m due to have a baby boy in 2 weeks time in the UK. My partner is only English. We are engaged but there will be no marriage soon.

I’m keen to get my son a Swiss passport so he has dual nationality too. However, I also want both our family names to carry on, so we were going to go double barrel surname to make this happen. Not a problem in the UK.

I’ve had conflicting information about that for the Swiss passport purposes though. The Embassy seem to say it’s not going to be a problem, but they weren’t always clear about that. And a firm I spoke to said don’t risk it

Anyone got any insight please?

"Since 1.1.2013, under the new legal provision, both spouses keep their original surnames. They can still choose a shared family name if they want, however. In this case they must choose either the bride or the groom’s surname. In registered partnerships, the couple can also choose one of the partners’ names as a shared family name.

Double names
Double names such as Meier Müller may no longer be created through marriage by combining the surnames of the spouses. If someone already has a double name, they may continue to use it.

Surnames combined with a hyphen, such as Meier-Müller, are still allowed. Combined surnames are not official names and will not be entered in the civil register, but may be used in everyday situations and recorded in your passport and identity card on request.

Children’s names
The children of married parents automatically receive their parents’ shared surname.

Spouses with different surnames must decide, when they marry, which one of their surnames they will give to any future children. The parents can still choose to change their first child’s surname to that of the other parent within a year of the child’s birth."

https://www.ch.ch/en/married-name/

However, given that you’re not yet married I don’t know if any of this would apply instead.

https://www.ch.ch/en/cohabiting/

https://www.ch.ch/en/surname-child/

Also this regarding the passport.

https://www.ch.ch/en/applying-passport-identity-card/

Is there not an exception to this if the child is born abroad and named abroad. I think foreign naming rules are often given exceptions. If the double barrelled name is on a British birth certificate, I’d think the Swiss would accept it.

I'd go with what the Embassy says - they be issuing the passport after all. Maybe ask for confirmation in writing?

More info

https://www.ch.ch/en/how-acknowlede-paternity/

https://www.ch.ch/en/registering-birth-abroad/

Thanks guys

So the links provided at first suggest there would be a problem having both names. I’m not that against the boy just having my surname in his CH passport and both for his UK. So that might work.

Then the second poster links suggest what the Embassy have said (albeit not at first).

The key bit seems to be: ***AND/OR*** is mentioned. It wasn’t elsewhere

If it is the parents’ first child, they may choose whether the child should take the mother's maiden name and or the father’s surname. Any further children that the parents have together will bear the same name.

If the mother is a foreign national and the father acknowledging paternity is Swiss, the child obtains Swiss citizenship from the father.

Questions regarding acknowledgment, nationality and the name of the child can be addressed to the civil register office where the acknowledgement took place, or to the appropriate child and adult protection authority.

Oh, please don't do that to your child! It has the potential to cause much more work, during his entire life, if he has more than one official name. This could be so for all sorts of things where he has to make applications or register.

One way to get around this would be to give him a first name, and then use his mother's family name as his, with your family name as his middle name (and not as part of his family name). That way, all three names could go on the documents, consistently in both countries and all his papers throughout his life.

That would create an incredible mess for you to begin with and eventually for your child.

Authorities are very conscious of various child kidnapping situations and anything out of the norm will put up red flags causing you a lot of hassle every time you travel.

Later on for your child, they may run into all kinds of issues trying to explain why they have passports with different family names.

Thanks for all your help guys. Let’s say we managed to get the double barrel name sorted, from what I’ve read any issues at the border in terms of the surname varying a bit to mine/my partner’s could be dealt with by having a signed letter on us, proving that we have allowed the other to travel with the child. In case of any concerns / issues?

Yes, serious concerns. Your son will, most likely, need to cross borders many times during his life. He won't want to be potentially burdened by having to show a signed letter from Mum and Dad, every time he does so. For as long as he is a child, you, as parents travelling alone or together, will - with an arrangement as you propose - add that little bit of stress to your lives, wondering, each crossing, whether it's all going to work out okay. Some countries will not to acknowledge a name in the format Smith-Brown, and could insist that he prove that his name is either Smith or Brown.

Yes! This! As Jim says, the laws about international kidnapping are - rightly so - increasingly strict, and you don't want, ever, ever, ever, to be in the situation where either of you could be charged with so doing.

Yes, with travel, but also just living in one place. To illustrate:

Even locally and in everyday life, when your child's name goes on lists, anywhere, there are going to be only some people who put his name down as Smith-Brown (the way you want it). Many others, however, will put it down as Smith Brown, others will put him under just Smith and yet others under just Brown and some under Brown Smith.

As an example, he won't be happy if you've already long signed your parental permission for him to go on the bus to the sports competition, but on the day the driver can't find him on the list and says he can't take along school-children whose names aren't on the list in the right way.

Some computer systems won't see the hyphen. Others will not accept the name at all if it has a hypen (as a non-aphabetic character) in it. Your adult son will be unhappy, to say the least, if he books himself a flight, and that booking system appears to accept Smith-Brown, but when he gets to checkin they require a passport showing only Brown, or they won't let him board. A letter from his parents won't help him, then.

If you do burden him with a double-barrelled name, the poor boy - and the poor man - is likely to be doomed to explain this, his whole life long. He will have to insist (as will you as parents on his behalf, while he's still a boy) that yes, his name really is Smith-Brown, and yes, he belongs to the group starting with "S" and no, he is only one person and not travelling with Mr Brown, as well, and yes, they must look again because he really did book/register/pay and yes, his name must really be on the list.

He may find himself in the uncomfortable position of having a passport in Smith-Brown, but his visa or residence permit in another country having been issued as only Smith, and not being able to re-enter the country.

His only escape from this lifelong recurring trouble, would be to try to get his name changed. Depending on the country in which he is living when he reaches adulthood, he may not even be permitted to make a change and set himself free.

I would urge you to reconsider and give your child the best start by assigning him a straightforward non-double-barrelled name.

Source: experience.

Having lived in four countries, I would also recommend just a single last name for your child. It is, in practice, much easier. I suggest you give him the other last name as a middle name. If you do give him both last names, please, make really sure both last names are the same in both countries of citizenship, as it could really, really become a nightmare that you don't want to saddle him with.

Besides, what happens in the next generation? He needs to choose which of his last names to give to his children? They have three last names?

I have two last names: Maiden Married, and they are the same in all my official documentation (permits and passports). My kid's last name is Married. I have never had issues crossing borders with her, and we have traveled pretty extensively. I use Maiden as my professional name, but in private life get addressed as Maiden Married, Maiden, and Married - all fine. Many booking systems have me as MaidenMarried... not ideal. I am glad I don't have a hyphen, for the reasons previous posters have already mentioned.

Congratulations on your baby and good luck!

How have the Spanish speakers managed all these years? No hyphens in sight and yet they all appear to have 2 last names.

I'll join in the chorus:

Please do not - repeat, do not - create a situation where official paperwork does not match to the letter. In this age of interconnected bureaucracy any confusion can lead to recurring major headaches.

Source: Personal experience.

It was a non-issue as a child, living in one country in a non-digital age. But once I started the international merry-go-round, as the world became more connected... let's just say I've spent a good chunk of my adult life cursing my parents.

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Among the younger generation in our family - so your peer group - the parents usually choose one of the family names as the child's last name, use the other as the child's middle name. That way both families are 'honored'.

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Most important:

Congratulations to both parents, and best wishes for a happy, healthy baby!

Thanks so much for this guys. Will take it all on board and discuss wi the my partner. I’m very grateful for your time indeed. No sign of the boy yet by the way.

Been holding 2 passports with different names for 15 years and not once has it caused any issue except I always need to remember which one I am using for travel to book in the correct name.

So for all saying this is a big issue perhaps it's not so big.

I have my married name in Switzerland with hyphen maiden name attached to it and maiden name in my other country (as married women do not change name there).

Also the hyphen name has not cause any issue at all.

Now the umlaut in my married name.... That I could talk about FOREVER!

Have registered his name in the UK for now. Will go for both passports soon. Decided to keep it simple and go for my surname after listening to a range of replies here and elsewhere.

Thanks guys.

Congratulations on the birth of your son! May you all be happy and healthy.

And wise decision, that, to keep his name simple. And to get both citizenships registered... hopefully the second under the identical name.

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Congrats on your child.

I'm going to give an opposing view here... as someone who has password with different names (and in a family of someone who has passports with different birthdates as well) - it can actually be useful.

Most systems will see you are two separate/different people, so you can register twice (or refer yourself where there are referral bonuses)... similarly, you can keep your UK and Swiss life totally separate.

I really like having two names in two documents, has been really helpful.