Population decline and collapse

I don’t think we are heading to over-population. Quite the opposite. It seems that the population is about to collapse over the next decades.

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If overpopulation due to medical advances were happening, Swiss children would go to school and do all the work. We wouldn’t be immigrants here.

Agree. We’re not heading towards overpopulation, but in the developed world, at least, towards a disproportionately large number of older people vs younger ones. Such vaccines, or whatever other name you want to use for them, would only strengthen the asymmetry. On a personal level, I have no problem with that, we will be living, working and be healthy for longer

I still plan to retire by 65… :slight_smile:

South Korea has a population of around 62 million people.

However over the next 45 years, the population of South Korea is expected to decline by around 20 million. That’s about 30% of the current population, or putting it another way about 770 times more than died in South Korea due to Covid during the pandemic.

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The problems are many:

  • collapsing biodiversity, insects population in free fall with unknown consequences
  • increasingly infertile soils
  • climate change
  • increasingly infertile humans
  • lack of natural resources
  • almost complete lack of long term planning, internalization of external costs and international cooperation

… and most importantly young women don’t want to settle down and have babies. (I think with good reason)

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Kurzgesagt on German population crisis. I guess it applies to Switzerland too as we have similar TFR.

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How can a video get it so wrong?
A few years ago I started putting together my family tree. There will of course be mistakes in the blood line recording but the trends are clear. Fertility rate has gone down and the generation time has increased -in my family quite dramatically - the last two or three generations have been incredibly slow. Child mortality has decreased. Life expectancy has increased. The records on both sides of the family show the large colonial immigration to New Zealand around 1860 which was driven by the high fertility rates, poverty and lack of opportunity in Europe at the time. Since then one can see the effects of two world wars, health crises such as flu and polio epidemics and the introduction of more effective birth control since the seventies.
Now we face different issues. An ageing population with declining fertility rates poses new problems. But the video presents this as a generational clash which is not the way to find a good solution.
Raising the fertility rate? Been there, done that, it did not end well.
Yes, please change the tax structures to give bigger breaks to younger people and make it less desirable to accumulate wealth and easier to employ people of all ages.

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For your information there are child labor laws here!

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Always wondered why Angela was so eager to open the doors for migration.

haha got me, poor writing. I meant when those children grow up can do the job.

About the child labor laws, only since the 1970s. Before that…the Verdingkinder.

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I don’t think a population decline is the real issue, but rather the newcomer’s cultural restistance of adapting to this country’s customs and habits.

Whether the internet and constant contact with family back home, the new migrants don’t adapt at all even after decades spent here.

If I left home for another place, I will not look to make my new home just like my old home if I left it behind.

Either you come here because you like it and become like everyone else, or don’t come at all

To be fair, if you are coming from the UK or US, for example, most places have accepted, embraced and developed that culture organically so it’s not such a big wrench. I don’t think you can compare.

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I agree, but the Swiss actually don’t do very much to encourage integration. In fact I’d say we discourage it.

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Because there isn’t huge differences among those cultures. The Swiss have accepted maybe certain Western habits, but the core remains the same

Absolutely not. I am a naturalized Swiss who has lived here for more than 20 years now and I find the Swiss very welcoming. 15 years ago you needed to speak the local language, but today that is not even a prerequisite, the newer generations speak English very very well.

It has become easier to be accepted in Switzerland at the very least

That’s a great sales pitch.

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Wow.