I was trying to have a reasonable discussion - quoting laws, providing diagrams and counter-arguments and a few people seem to be grown-up to offer counter-arguments to what I have written and so on.
It’s not me constantly taking off the rails with xenophobic posts and the one-post wonders who have contributed zero to the debate.
I appreciate I’m in the minority here with my views but they are pretty strong in a lot of Europe.
I guess it was the same with the smoking laws too -again I was in the minority here but the same views were pretty strong in the rest of Europe.
I told there is no physical limit to implement the 1.5m min distance in 80 kmh roads. That’s how we use the roads today, wait until the other lane is free and overtake. Anyway, the amount of cyclists you find in 80 kmh roads is much lower than urban areas. I don’t understand why the the law proposal was killed in 2022 since there’s no major downside.
Within city limits, conflicts arise. Which is the right min distance? This is a nightmare.
Tangentially, I think the reduction from 50 kmh to 30 kmh helps more, because there’s no reason to overtake a cyclist anymore.
No I don’t think you are in a minority in believing that cyclists should be treated with respect, same as any other road users. Where the issue gets sticky is that not everyone has experienced the same apparent raging drivers that take time out of their busy day to turn around in the road and drive after you for some inexplicable reason. Many of us have had years of cycling thousands of km with virtually no incident but acknowledge that, yes, near misses happen and also serious accidents.
I’ve had a nasty incident of a passing snot rocket once but I don’t assume that all MAMILs are inconsiderate disgusting arseholes.
As far as I’ve read on here and I assume you’ll correct if wrong, nobody is asking you to pretend anything. Maybe because most cyclists on here haven’t been in the same amount of scrapes with other road users as you, their perception of cyclist safety in Switzerland isn’t as negative. Maybe you just have to accept that?
I do. Doesn’t mean I can’t discuss and debate current laws and new laws and ways to make cycling safer.
@Axa et al seem to be happy to discuss different points with me.
He makes good points too.
Try not to make the thread about me and discuss the issues rather than my attitude to them.
If you don’t feel you have any comment to make then it’s simple - don’t make a comment.
I think “Ignore” does not have to be put them on a no-see list, you could just… ignore them if you think they’re trolling you.
It’s not as if you’re going to change their minds, nor are you making any new points over and above what you’ve already said. All that happens from being drawn deeper and deeper into these fruitless tit-for-tat arguments is that everybody involved starts to lose a bit of respect.
In the past I’ve always made myself big on the road to ensure enough space, e.g. by being further out than I need to be, such that when someone tries to squeeze past I’ve got space to move back in a bit without hitting a drain or a broken bottle in the gutter, and indeed on narrow country roads will block a car behind me until such time as I can see it’s safe for them to pass, at which point I’ll clearly signal them to do so, and always get a cheery wave.
Will a law about passing distance actually make them leave more space, or wait behind until enough pace is available? I’m still not convinced, not 100% anyway…
I think it is the typical forum dynamic, each side takes an entrenched view and discussion gets heated, and then even innocuous remarks from one side is taken offensively by the other side.
At times like this, logging out and doing something else can bring back some objectivity. (maybe even go for a bike ride! )
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