Protection of vulnerable road users from motorised traffic (both perceived and actual)

Yeah pretty much, except it’s not for ‘getting in my way’, it’s for selfishly and unnecessarily holding up traffic.

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Do you tailgate cars that get in your way too?

Only in the cases where they sit in the overtaking lane or driving slowly on a pass taking photos etc.

So you are by definition a dangerous and crap driver.

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Hey. it’s called cabrio driving. I enjoy the way, not the destination. The loser tailgating behind is under pressure to arrive somewhere. Total loser to be on a rush on a Sunday.

It’s really sad that driving does not put an smile on people’s faces. If it’s not enjoyable, why do it?

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Sunday drivers are the most impatient.

It’s a bonus to be able to put a smile on someone else’s face whilst driving or cycling - by being kind, courteous and patient.

I don’t think people should be sitting in the overtaking lane or slowing/stopping in the middle of a pass to take photos :man_shrugging:

Meh, I grew up with people mostly trying to follow the rules and being courteous to one another, obviously YMMV.

I don’t think anyone thinks they should behave like that but arseholes gonna arsehole. Doesn’t mean you have to join them by trying to correct their behaviour with more arseholery, does it?

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There’s a great divide between following rules, being a loud Bünzli, and becoming a vigilante. Consciously or not.

I’m a good Samaritan who does it for all the people who can’t do it.

This would be here:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/x2vd9o2WUSwGp1kp7

Before WFH, I cycled there up to five times a week, twice a day. Now it’s just once or twice per week…

There’s a specific bike traffic light that switches to green earlier than the cars, so I assume she must have travelled in the “shadow” of the truck, that subsequently turned right. That almost never ends well.

In the glory days, I sometimes ran five of the seven red lights on my way to work, but (mostly) stopped doing so after I got a fine once. Obviously, I didn’t tell the cop that I had already run four other red-lights that morning…

It was mostly to beat my own time riding to work. My commute is now much longer and harder and I am less fit, so there’s less time to be made running red-lights…

It’s interesting that a lot of the fatalities in bike-car accidents seem to be young women - who are usually much more risk-averse than their male counterparts from the same age group.

Though, about ten (or more) years ago or so, some 300m down the road, some guy tried to cross the tram-lines (on a bike), slipped and skidded right under the oncoming tram…

There are so many fatalities with cyclists on corners being run down by lorry drivers.

Don’t run red lights.

Motorists have this weird idea that every cyclist is responsible for every other cyclist’s actions and we all have a bad name and consequently get “punished” by drivers to “teach us a lesson”.

In a country that prides itself on “self-responsibility”, how about you use some of that?

Is there a statistic for where these accidents happen? It feels indeed like mostly in city traffic and very often trucks. Not much seems to happen on country roads, not even the ones with yellow stripes. Maybe the passing law is not the biggest concern.

https://www.20min.ch/story/talwiesenstrasse-velofahrer-bei-kollision-mit-tram-mittelschwer-verletzt-103131388

Almost the same location, same day. Just a tram in this instance.

The main reason I stopped running red lights was not cars - it was pedestrians and other bikers.

The paths of cars are pretty predictable. Pedestrians aren’t.

You’re the sort of person who gives cyclists a bad name.

City traffic is a bit of a no-brainer. Accidents happen when the participants go in different directions, that’s rare outside of towns. The amount of traffic drives traffic density and relevant changes of direction.

Likewise, more than 70% of the deadly traffic accidents occur during the day, same for workdays/weekends (says the bfu [Sinus 2023]).

Cities and built-up areas have more traffic than country roads, so I suppose that will “skew” the statistics a bit.

The recent posts about cyclists being killed by turning trucks reminded me about blind spots. Of course the cyclists probably had a right to be where they were! Unfortunately, the truck drivers didn’t see them. That could be because the truck was at the intersection already and the cyclist pulled into the blind spot. The driver could check mirrors etc. and turn, thinking it’s perfectly safe and the cyclist simply wasn’t able to be seen.

If the cyclist was already at the intersection, imo the truck driver should stay back enough so the cyclist is not in the blind spot. Then it’s clear when the cyclist has moved and it’s safe to turn. Blind spots can vary depending on the size of the truck.

We all tend to be more aware of what we can see and not whether we can be seen. That goes for blind spots, wearing dark clothing instead of light or high vis, etc.

A google search turns up thousands of blind spot images, but this one is pretty good for drivers:

And this, from Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ebikes/comments/18d96wf/blind_spot_in_a_truck/

Oh. Likely. The absurd thing is that I only got honked at when I didn’t do anything wrong (I think).

And the last accident happened when somebody cut me off - not at a traffic light.

I haven’t looked for any statistics but it’s generally unhelpful to only consider accidents with fatalities to decide whether a type of accident is more common compared with another type or whether, because a type of incident doesn’t usually lead to death, it’s not so important.

To give an example of this, when people started wearing helmets to ski in North America, the death rate amongst skiers did not go down.
One might make the assumption that helmets were pointless but when the researchers looked into the data, it turned out that the most common sort of accidents where death occurred before (namely, inexperienced male skiers going full pelt into a tree) would have resulted in death irrespective of whether a helmet had been worn or not.
What had gone down was the number of serious and non-serious head injuries which in many cases, had resulted in life-changing injuries.

It’s the same with trucks and cyclists - if you go under a truck, you are inevitably going to die.

If a car crashed into you when it tried to overtake you closely, or it forces you off the road, or into the path of another vehicle, you may not die but you may be seriously injured and may suffer life-changing injuries.