They can use the words reorganisation or can provide more than 1 reference, 1 for the RAV & one for you
If that ever happens- do not accept anything- and go and ask RAV/chômage for advice immediately- so everything can be documented.
A friend of mine gave his notice in a couple of years ago and was only penalised a couple of months because RAV/chômage knew that the firm was going to close and relocate abroad- and agreed that it was best for him to look for a similar post elsewhere asap.
A couple of months is quite a serious punishment , the max is 90 days & 21.7 days a month average.
Best to be fired on paper
Obviously there is no maximum- if Tribunal judged it can be refused altogether.
It can't be refused if the claim is valid .......you should not believe what you read in newspapers. The RAV are very happy when such misinformation is printed.
Did the newspaper quite the section of the law?
I think you will find there is some missing info here......
It appears to me that the RAV agent that you will be assigned does have quite some leeway in sparing someone (or imposing) sanctions. I have had quite terrible experiences with the RAV in Zurich, who did not show any understanding for my situation and continuously threatened me with sanctions for not applying to jobs the proper Swiss way (although I had a job lined up already). I have asked some of my German friends who manage these "Arbeitsvermittler" in Germany and was told that such treatment would be unacceptable there.
My point above is - I recommend to everyone to look for a new job while they are still employed at their old job and thus to avoid the RAV.
Seriously, people. How hard can it be to get fired.
As you have to be available to work from tomorrow, having a job lined up with a start date other than tomorrow is not a reason to stop applying for jobs.
My first RAV advisor told me I would be thrown out of the country if I did not get a job in 90 days. She told me it would be illegal to be freelance, I had a C permit at the time. I complained to the head of the RAV in ZH. I got a new advisor, the original advisor got demoted to support. I bought the relevant law book in German & read it cover to cover before my next meeting. At my next meeting the new advisor, showed me the law book & highlighted some text. I took great pleasure in highlighting the 4 exceptions to the law
Hey, I have no horse in this race, just relating an article which was written by a lawyer explaining the facts of that specific case, in quite a lot of detail, explaining what happened at appeal Court and why it was rejected.
Of course if can't be refuse if the claim is valid, eg you are made unemployed- but they can if you choose to make yourself unemployed, especially if you have not discussed this with employer and tried to solve problems, as said above. You've said it yourself on the other thread, the system is for those who are made unemployed, not t'other way round. I gave the name of the paper and date as a link.
Well 5 months without pay will put off most scrounges & then get 70% for 8 months is hardly an easy life. Being fired, waiting 1 month & getting 70% for 12 months would seem to prove what I said about the system is for people made unemployed.
0 % payment will achieve this much quicker
As said, the guy in the case cited got zilch, zero, nought- went to appeal Tribunal, lost, for reasons given- hence my warning. It was not an article in the paper, but the legal employment section written by a legal (un)/employment specialist, about a real recent case which went to official appeal Tribunal and lost. Leave it at that.
Of course if you open a rahmendrist, & immediately find another job for 18 months, then become unemployed again you will only be entitled to 6 months less waiting period. You will be entitled to a new rahmendrist of 400 days due to working 18 months in 24 with payments of 0chf, which is I suspect what really happened in this case.....
Resigning or being fired results in 0chf a month after 6 months.