Replacement meals - weight loss systems in Switzerland

Thanks for all the advice !! and yes I do realise its not the best option and the sensible way is a healthy, calorie counted, balanced diet and that losing 1-2 lbs a week is the best way .......with exercise ......

I have dropped two sizes just by living here, different life style, no takeaways and not owning a car ....but seemed to have reached a plateau so just wanted a bit of a kick start really ...

And my list of excuses are ....

a)The replacement meal option takes away the choice and temptation for me..if it is not in a packet and bought from ??? I'm not allowed to eat it ...end of ..

b)I can probably recite the calorie content of most foods from heart, I have zero willpower once in the supermarket...or confronted with a menu ...

c) my salad dodging skills are legendary .....

But on a serious note, thanks for the support and maybe I will just do it properly and crack this once for all ......

Sorry, I hate to butt into the thread here, but the logic in this previous post is so wrong I feel a need to set things straight.

Fine, assuming the above figures are true, an average person expends:

1380 calories per day for basic metabolism

690 calories on normal body activity

230 calories for digestion

Total =2300 calories, of which 60% are required for basic metabolism, 30% for physical activity, and 10% for digestion of food. No problems so far.

This in no way means that:

What is true is that increased physical activity increases the total daily calorie expenditure. The percentages are irrelevant.

To illustrate, if you exercise for two hours and burn 400 calories per hour, you caloric demands for the day increase substantially:

1380 calories for basic metabolism

690 for normal body activity

230 calories for digestion

800 calories for two hours of intense exercise

Total=3100 calories for the day.

With exercise, but keeping all other things equal, basic metabolism is now only requiring 44% of your total daily calories (down from 60%), digestion 7.5% (down from 10%), and physical activity (the total required for normal body movements plus your exercise) is now responsible for 48% of your body's energy needs. It doesn't always stay at 30%: the more exercise you get, the more calories you consume, and this percentage creeps up.

You are kidding . If this were true, couch potatoes and people who exercise for one hour a day would have similar body shapes, and this is hardly the case. People who exercise are burning an extra 300-400 calories a day, which adds up to about half a pound of body weight a week, plus they build muscle mass. I've never met anyone who exercises for an hour a day that isn't reasonably fit and slim, and I've never met a couch potato with the body of an athlete.

Anyway.

Heather

Sorry H,

I WAS kidding, of course

I hate to put this right but you will NOT, under normal circumstances (e.g. on the treadmill at the gym) burn 400 kcla/hour, but more like 200 ADDITIONAL calories over the basic metabolism, if you work hard. Moderate exercise will take you to ca 160 kcal in one hour. Most of the machines at the gym will tend to display basic + additional calories due to the physical activity (it's good for the morale and it does not harm anybody!).

In addition to transforming one's Michelin-man body to the Adonis-style breathtaking beauty, a higher percentage of lean tissue (muscle) will increase the body's basal metabolic rate and therefore help you stay lean (while sleeping or lying in the TV sofa ). This is because fat tissue has a x3 lower basic metabolic rate compared to muscles. Simplified, there are not as many chemical reactions ongoing in the fat cells.

--I.

Hi H.

An additional comment: my problem is that the type of exercise that will make me burn 400 kcal just makes me soooooo HUNGRY!

You could try the Figure Control (sold at Migros) or Slim Down Milk shake powder (Well & Active line) sold by Aldi. Both are powders that, mixed with low fat milk (0% fat) replace 2 meals per day. It gives you all the vitamins and minerals you need. It really works if you eat a reasonable 3rd meal I used to take Herbalife, but in Switzerland this is very expensive, so I searched for a substitute and found these.

Good luck !

So .......if I buy a tent and sleep on the balcony , those extra pounds will just fall away ....excellent !! lol

Dear Joolie,

Joke aside, if you have lost weight, then you're doing the RIGHT thing! Congratulations.

My humble opinion is that, instead of getting into this meal replacement jungle, you could remove another 200 kcal from your daily intake; take out something with high(er) energy value that you don't particularly like anyway but eat out of habit, we all have these things in out diet. You can replace it with something with a lower calorie content. For the rest keep on living as before.

It looks to me that what you are lacking is not knowledge but patience... keep thinking of it this way: if it took you 10 years to put on the undesired weight, it should take you 10 years to shed it. Why on earth do you stress yourself by expecting it to "melt away" in 6 months (I know ....); keep coming back here and we will support you. Tell us about the progress ... and be patient with our sometimes-not-so-funny jokes. We are maybe just bored at times

Good luck with the Project --I.

I despise those liquid diets. I'm hardly an expert on this topic- I can't give you facts and figures, but I can tell you this much. I've lost about 48 kilos in two and a half years. I have another 15 to go, before I'll be happy. I started my weight loss thing with a friend who went the shake route. She lost a lot of weight very fast, but found it really hard to maintain. Without maintenance yo-yo weight swings are in fact worse for your health than being overweight.

In my experience, plateau's are completely normal. Each body is different of course, but for me there are two types of plateau.

1. My body needs a break. My doctor explained this to me in medical terms- but here goes my layman explanation. My body was used to being X weight. I then lost 15 kilos and now my body is stressed trying to put the weight back on. My doc said that it usually takes about a year of maintaining weight before the bodies' natural urge to maintain at the old weight fades, and the new weight kicks in as the 'natural weight'.

For me, this was characterized by utter exhaustion. I felt like I was battling myself for the energy to breathe. Usually, after exercise I would feel a small rush of adrenaline- during this period I just felt drained and emotional after exercise.

In the two cases where that happened, I stopped aggressively pushing for weight loss, ate food at a level where combined with exercise I would simply maintain my current weight. After a few months of this, I would gradually increase my exercise/decrease my food, and found fat began to melt off once more. More importantly, I had energy once more, and felt healthy and looked it too.

2. Your body has grown used to the exercise you're doing. Especially if your exercise is incidental -i.e. "I need to walk up that hill to buy some milk!"- this is likely to be true. You need to find a way to switch up the level and challenge imposed by your exercise.

As most of my exercise was done at a gym- I did one of a few things when this happened:

a. I tried changing machines/levels/amount of time. For example, my machine of choice was always a cross trainer. I went from using that predominantly to using a row machine and found weight began to come off again.

b. I went to classes- while I could slack off on the rower, I felt I had to keep up when I was in a room full of people exercising hard. Spinning classes are particularly good for this in my experience.

c. I changed the amount of weights training I was doing. (as an aside, please do weights training- even if you don't go to a gym, lift a couple of cans of tomatoes or something. Without that, you can lose bone density during weight loss, which can leads to problems like Osteoporosis down the track.)

d. I picked up another activity like Dragon Boat racing- with practice, it was about 3 hours of exercise a week, fun and kick started weight loss again. I signed up for 3 months.

This is a loooong response. Sorry if it's preachy. I just really feel strongly about those weight loss supplement things. I would suggest you look at why your weight loss is halting, and then look for solutions- and go for the healthiest option, even if it does mean the weight loss doesn't happen as quickly as you'd like.

Congratulations on your weight loss. The rate that you have been losing it sounds perfect and sustainable. Keep up the good work. At that rate you should reach your target around September

ok, so I ll drop the 2 gipfeli that i consume each morning ... and replace it with the yogourty muesli thing ..... but may still have to have the friday choc one

Thanks for all the encouragement .....i will give it a month and post an update

and I will get off the tram a few stops early and walk .....and perhaps actually buy the bike I keep talking about .....