Rules on solid white line well before traffic lights?

Transportation, Travel and Trips
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Actually we do not know what and where the copper was asked. Context maters.

Le Me standing next to a stop sign asking a police man "Do I have to come to a full stop at this solid white line or can I roll over?" The answer that one has to do a full proper stop at this line is correct.

Dotted line means you are going in the wrong direction. At least in Switzerland where there are triangles a.k.a sharks teeth .

Maybe that policeman was asked in a country where such lines are only at stop signs and nowhere else.

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Have a read:

https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a75

And then come back to say sorry since you are clearly wrong.

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Yep, the shark's teeth. It was indeed a Swiss policeman, married to one of my friends. But apparently, according to EdwinNL, he knows nothing about traffic rules - I'll let him know when I see him at the weekend - he'll be devastated.

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That is all true, but since he says that the exact same thing has been asked we can only conclude that either not the same thing has been asked, or the policeman does not know the law. I see no other option in this.

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I even show you the law that contradicts with what you want us to believe and still you laugh at me, sorry to tell you this, but the joke is on you. You'd better do some reading before you make a clown out of yourself.

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It does mean stop, do not cross if road ahead is blocked .

You have to let people turn into and turn left from your road if you're not able to drive. Usually before roundabouts, traffic lights etc.

Actually an unnecessary line for those who know the traffic laws (one is never allowed to block any other roads when in a traffic-jam) but as knowing the traffic laws is out of style ....

PS: This has already been discussed in an other thread not too long ago.

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What is this link showing that is relevant to this thread?

All of the references are clearly to stop signs, traffic lights, level crossings etc.

It doesn't mention any case where there is no other signal / indicator, unless I missed something.

It seems like this case where there is a line indicating "cross only if clear" is a logical and well understood but undocumented usage.

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There is a priority sign just before the white line

https://www.google.ch/maps/@46.53265...7i13312!8i6656

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Law says:

Do not cross the line when stopping but stop in such situation before the line, and it gives situations when a stop has to be performed like a red traffic light or a stop sign. If those situations are not met a stop is not mandatory and one can just drive over the line without stopping If traffic allows such.

That's how easy it is.

People who still do fail to see this, should read the other topic since this discussion has been solved already.

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Yep, as long as there is no traffic jam one has priority. The moment the road ahead is blocked one is not allowed to block access to the road from the right (others exiting and entering).

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yes, this one... meaning that you should stop on the white line ONLY if: Road ahead is blocked if you are trying to turn right and from the other side of the road at the same time there is a car trying to turn left - going to the same street that you want to turn

Correct me if Im wrong... But pretty sure in the rest of the world works like that...

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You are wrong.

If you turn right (drivers view) you have the priority at that intersection.

But you would have to yield to oncoming traffic and wait at the line (if necessary) if you wish to turn left (drivers view).

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"No" to the 2nd bulletpoint, you have priority against traffic that crosses your lane.

The white bar thing is quite simple: It says "if you have to or need to stop, do so before this bar", the bar alone is non-mandatory. Stop sign and red and yellow traffic lights say "you have to stop", so in combination they say "you have to stop before the white bar".

In every other situation I can think of, the white bar shows a non-mandatory stop, a conditional one if you will. It has no meaning unless the road ahead is blocked for some reason or other, including railway and tram crossings with a vehicle approaching, oncoming traffic when you're in a lane that turns left or right, that pedestrian strip or bus stop a few meters ahead with pedestrians around, a crossings that's jammed, etc. If your path is clear, and only then, you can safely ignore the white bar.

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Etc. Is the part you missed.

Art. 26 SVG Basic rule. No one should hinder other road users.

https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a26

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That is what my son has learned in the driving theory course too but I'm not sure if it's only for lines at intersections and/or with stop signs.

Certainly the road in Neuchâtel with the solid line just before a road joining from the right and several metres before the traffic light junction doesn't require cars to come to a standstill.

We have friends who were fined for not coming to a complete standstill at a stop line at a junction here in Switzerland despite there being no traffic.

Come to think of it when I took my test in France it was drummed into me that a stop line?meant exactly that. A complete standstill.

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I don't know the junction you are talking about in Neuchatel where your friends was fined. Did it have a stop sign?

there are solid white lines without stop signs where you should not be stopping if the light further up is green!

You only need to stop on that white line if there are emergency vehicles coming out. And if they are coming out, there is a flashing yellow light that will come on.

You should absolutely not come to a full stop there if not required. You'll cause an accident as it's a straight main road with a priority sign.

Your son should clarify these no-stop-sign-white-lines with the instructor.

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How do I understand a solid white line on a roundabout? Give way or do not cross?

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How good I can just quote myself and do not have to talk my mouth dry:

Background: The tram has the right of way, Unless it drives from on minor then it has to give way to the user of the main road.

Art. 38 SVG

https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a38

and Art. 45 VRV

https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a45

Here the classic text book example at Wollishofen, where the tram merges from unto the main road: https://goo.gl/maps/do7zjV4fPZz

In practice the traffic signal will stop the traffic on the main road so that the tram can merge w/o problems.

Also in your case there is a traffic light: https://goo.gl/maps/AaDZsM6on5Q2