Exactly, that's how people change their moral values inside a corporation. I don't even remember exactly but I guess it was said with a clear meaning that no one could do anything about that without any effort or risk of getting lower evaluation themselves
My take home lesson is, never stay in a job more than 2 years if you don't get a promotion, but if it's convenient to stay than why not, but don't take the BS evaluation to yourself.
As this company was held by a chemical company, it benchmarked to chemical industry. Where that salary for my level was considerd "fair market value" and thus "high" for the "chemical industry".
You'll find this as well in CH - you find salary between Pharma and Medical Device quite different, with Medical Device being much lower, and can be in the same company.
For example, Roche Diagnostics benchmarks its salary different thatn Roche Pharma. When I interviewed at Roche Diagnotics many years ago, they "balked" at my Pharma "base" salary, they thought that that salary included by Bonus. They were quite stupid, because after that phone call they invited me for F2F, and again, in-person Balked at my salary at my Pharma firm. Their compensation package beyond Salary was not that inspring.
Then you have Big Pharma's like Novartis, where they'll give you an offer with the salary, ...TAKE IT..OR ..LEAVE IT...and they'll tell you that. Why? because it's an employer's market in the pharma sector and they have candidates lined up. So Zero negotiation. And friend at ABB tells me same can be found there.
And even in pharma the big ones still pay lower than say the smaller mid-pharmas, which not only pay better but have better packages - i.e. stock options, ESPP, bonus schme, and company cars.
So be mindful on where you CAN negotiate and where you can't and company has a back up - in theory the salary should NOT, and repeat should NOT be suprise as that dicussion should be held UPFRONT interms of expectations.
For example, (I'll use a made up salary expectation, 100 K as my example) but when the conversation is initated with me, my first HR phone call, and they as my expectation, usally I'll say my base salary expection is no lower that 100 K , with target bonus of 20 percent, if that's not aligned with the salary being offered for the job, then I perhasp we can save some time on this call.
It works for me, I started doing that after my Roche Diagnostics experience and so far its been a good approach for me. I don't have time to waste.
Note to the edit: Just so i'm clear, I deploy that as today or for the past few years, I've been fortunate to be in a BATNA situtation of walk-away. Nobody pushing me out the door at my current employer per se, which is the best spot to be when looking for jobs, I know not everybody has that BATNA.
I am sure that this method is used elsewhere in CH.
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I know one big private bank that is using their services...
So now I am weighing whether to decline it altogether or risk and come.
The amount in question is around 120K (including a bonus) for a family of 4 in AG.
I expect you'll survive on that with a bit of common sense, a lot of people survive on far less but maybe have more common sense
Don’t even need all my fingers on one hand to count how many have happened in Switzerland this year.
Money isn’t everything, you may not know it or be able, but Chf 120k per year is a good salary here with good quality living.
Money isn't indeed everything, but Brian made some good points. A trailing spouse and children need to be considered.
OP congratulations! 120,000 CHF is a nice salary. Please also keep in mind that health insurance for a family is also quite expensive in Switzerland. You will pay less taxes than you do in Canada...but it will still be an additional +/- 1000 CHF to factor into your budget each month.
It clearly states, Brian lives in London which presumably he is comparing to living in Switzerland
You got a big willy too ?
Crazy people anywhere you go