Saving money by getting rid of Swiss employees, especially senior ones

An exit strategy really is essential. If you are in your 40s and in a position where you could be easily outsourced or replaced by a younger foreigner, you should start making plans for that possibility. RAV runs out after 18 months and after that any money you may get from the Sozialamt will barely be enough to avoid starvation.

Just keep on trying, I am at the wrong end of 50 and started my new job in December (and am soooo happy there).

Unless you meant "Use offshore resources more than you do now", your rephrasing is exactly the wrong way around. However, the cheapest way to outsource (if you have to do it) is to do all the work in house.

There are sensible ways of achieving these cost savings.

1.Reducing personnel costs .

Try to keep who you've got. Recruitment is very expensive. (And you won't need as many HR staff... ).

2.Replace turnover with lower level employees.

When a senior developer leaves - through natural wastage, not redundancy programs, replace them with someone less senior who can be trained up.

3.Hire new college graduates every year.

All business should do this. Decent succession planning reduces the cost of recruitment.

4.Manage your contractors.

Make sure you don't have too many contractors. If a full time position is needed, then fill it with an employee - don't have a contractor on board for ten years.

6.Reduce staff turnover.

Recruitment is expensive! Training less so, but once you have experienced people, keep them.

7.Reducing non-personnel costs.

E.g. outsourcing office services. Make sure going through Purchasing actually reduces costs.

8.Virtualize servers by using containers.

Use new techologies appropriately.

Thanks, I am so happy for you.

Believe me - I am trying. I just heard from a colleague that my current role is changing and nobody bothered to tell me.

Yes. Life is complex. On one hand is good to have an exit plant.

On the other hand there's people shouting about not mastering the local language, not enough integration, etc....all I know is I don't want to be that sad story in the newspaper about the perfectly integrated immigrant worried about the future in CH because the links with previous country(ies) were cut.

3.Hire new college graduates every year.

That is the stupidest suggestion of the lot. College graduates, on day 1, know absolutely nothing about your business but think they know everything. The learning curve is painful and for many is just too much hard work for them and too much expense for you.

Let someone else train them and bring them in when they have matured a little.

A little mercenary but necessary.

That exit strategy is what brought my wife and I here. Her company was bought by an organization HQ'd here. Thank goodness they needed someone with her experience. This move wound up being our exit strategy. Getting laid off in any country when you are in your Mid 50's is really hard.

I don't have an exit strategy - not everyone on this forum was brought here for work. My husband is Swiss and now I am too ... things won't be better (most likely worse) for me either in my home country.

I'm 41, I know I still have time - but I'm not feeling too hopeful as my career thus far has been one setback after another not due to any fault of my own. I genuinely feel for those who are older, a shite state of affairs and I'll likely find myself there someday. It shouldn't be like this, constantly having to sit through reorg after reorg for corporations who rake in billions in profits.

Quite a funny quote seeing how MS Exchange hit quite an embarrassing bug on 01.01.2022 and how a big part of running an inhouse e-mail server is battling the ways in which MS e-mail servers are broken (which seems to be a constant struggle with everything MS, but I digress).

Incidentally, most of the Swiss companies I was working for had their e-mail handled by Swiss companies with their servers on Swiss soil.

Just don't get why it has to be 'either' / 'or'. It is perfectly possible to learn the local language and integrate well, AND keep your language and strong ties to your 'back home' country.

That's the goal, but the day has 24 hours and I sleep from 7 to 10 hours. Home country and other places are parachutes in case the Swiss plane has some problems.

PS. I just laughed a lot this weekend when I realized that Rumansch is easier to read than Switzerdutsch.

Hence my advice to anyone coming to work/live in Switzerland, pick a place to live with a proper language although Romansch wouldn't be the first on my mind (so you are left with Italian or French).

And the French spoken here is very close to the French spoken in France and Belgium. Only in Vaud you need to learn to speak s l o w l y. So you only need to learn one language.

Don't want to über digress- but the Swiss Romands accents are all very distinct! And I live close to Franche-Comté, and their accent is very specific indeed, and totally different to Neuchâtelois across the border. But we all understand each other

Normal, les Vaudois are only Bernese people who speak French

Say that to my brother, and see what happens he is a pacifist, but could well make an exception!

This is a reality unfortunately and wanted to add my own personal perspective to this thread.

Having had my role (having to remind myself it was not may job or me fired) being eliminated and geographically relocated to India as I approached 60 years old was not something I found easy.

I faced the prospect of having to leave Switzerland once I ran out of Chômage (RAV) and leaving my children behind

I count myself lucky because now I start a contract on the 1st Feb and I know I am going to do a great job and it will take me close to 63 years old and even if they do not hire me on a fixed contract I can haul it over the line to the 65 years old of retirement. (short version)

I have to say having provided for my -ex- and my children covering a period of almost three decades to face getting the you must leave Switzerland now somewhat an enlightening moment

I worry about my children how employment looks in the future, even though they are now all Swiss now which gives me some comfort, I do not see the world and the rapid change an easy one.

My advice to anyone where ever they are in Switzerland is invest in yourself and leverage every advantage you have, gain mastery in what you do and people will seek you out.

Wishing anyone who is facing a struggle at the moment positive vibes

Thank-you so much for sharing your story and a very hearty congratulations on your new role! I am sure you will do a great job and I wish you all the luck in the world.

What exactly did you expect a random article to tell you for secrets. BTW, your interpretations are overly negative. Or to put it differently:

1. Get rid of "dead wood". All IT departments have it, some more than you could imagine...

2. Instead of hiring expensive people, give the junior ones you have a career opportunity and they might do it for less while being super motivated and less likely to leave.

3. Have a healthy mix of experience levels, not the same guys sticking around for a decade.

4. It says MANAGE your contractors... if you dont, they manage themselves and that wont be cheap.

5. It literally says the opposite of your interpretation. Dont do stupid outsourcing.

6. Find out if there are other ways to motivate employees to stay than just CHF... for example flexible working models.

7. Nope, admin staff is still personnel costs. It basically means: "Do we really need an office in the most expensive part of the city for the IT guys?"

8. Virtualization does save costs. Not just at running a system but in every project. I know because I am in a commercial role at an IT services company. We used to have an easy 20% of project costs in the infrastructure bit of any project a decade ago... somebody coming in and screwing metal in a rack, wire it up, then another guy has to install basic software, patch the servers... all thats gone for good. And nobody misses it.

All in all not bad advice. At least they didnt recommend "hot desking" which has literally never worked outside an excel sheet.

Tomorrow is my last day on the job. 12 years at the company, only one other person had more years there than I did. Reason for being fired: being female and having turned 64. Nothing personal, of course, we all liked each other and they were apparently happy with my work. Unless I find some supplemental income, I'll be digging into retirement savings this year, having decided this a better decision than applying for early reitrement benefits from the other countries where I've worked. As an engineer turned data analyst who knows how to draw a nifty boxplot, I expect prospects are dim for future employment, even I were willing to write hundreds of job applications (I'm not). Perhaps this is the Divine Order (reference to great Swiss film about voting rights for women), but I would fervently support the idea of making older employees less expensive to keep on the payroll.