Should the word 'Näggr' be used in Swiss German?

spot on, thanks for posting this

Austria is one of the least racist countries in the world, where else can a whiteman become a neger?

It's one of the most racist countries in Europe.

http://www.uni-graz.at/richard.parnc...minaustria.HTM

Well, you can smile with a delight at these old little ladies (don't get me wrong I totally get your point and love those old little ladies to bits) and say, cutely "my sweet old decrepit souls"...I don't think they would be pleased. Nor understand my culturally justified directness and lack of diplomacy

I have noticed that it feels like 2 dimensions of racism locals might see. When we, as locals, are racist, it is not bad because it is not meant in a bad way (ehm, how does one really know that exactly?) and that bad kind of racism that exists abroad that manifests itself like we see it in movies. Which is the bad one. We aren't because everyone understand we like the "mohrkopfs, neggers, you name it, yugos" and the visual symbols the rest of the world cringes at. I think it is exactly this that allows for certain level of tolerance that medias have here towards racism, political campaigns, etc.

One thing is sweet little ladies referring to people like at the times of their youth, and then another thing is having kids chase another yelling this lovely stuff. Because they know, it does not matter at all.

And, the obligatory disclaimer, we hang out with some lovely locals that cringe at the same stuff. They might hate it even more since they as part of the domestic culture feel a tad responsible things are this way.

I'm normally open to stuff and try to see things from all points but, to be honest, hearing that a child has been chased by a group calling him the equivalent of "N**ger" is pretty heavy stuff.

OK, it might be difficult to get a newspaper to run a story that brands a family as racist without some kind of proof or back up and would be rightfully difficult but, still.

What was the context of the worksheet? I find it weird in this day and age that they are writing stuff in Swiss German in Kindergarten rather than High German. It doesn't justify the word by any means but I just find it highly unusual that Swiss German, which is rarely "written" anywhere, finds its way into an educational document.

Was the rest of the document written in dialect or just the word Näggr?

That's what I thought, too, but I was wondering 'who wouldn't see through that?'

Kudos for hubby going over and having a word and not getting involved in any Swiss passive-aggressive note-passing. :-)

In some Latin countries it is even used affectionately, such as saying "mi negrito". No offence or hint of racism there at all.

I guess you haven't heard of Blick yet?

Yeah, there was even a guy called Arnie Schwarzen*gger who became governor of California. A good thing Americans don't understand German.

It's entirely racist if used by a white, state employed lawman (gets OJ off a murder rap), but "arty" if used in any HBO production (The Wire for example) and an absolute must if you're a rap artist demonstrating your wholesomeness to other 'hood dwellers. Not quite sure where that leaves us in Switzerland, the Italians get their monikers as do those of Balkan origin. It's all about tact and the correct use of words at the appropriate moment. We can use the most abusive words as terms of endearment to our closest friends, but it could end up in front of a judge if used incorrectly. Human nature; we like to make a bunch of silly rules and then get all technical about how to apply them. I take people by their actions, not their inappropriate use of language.

Some of my best friends are racist, um intolerant, um whatever.....

Amogles..

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Fair point Assassin, with close friends, banter goes as far as your group tolerates - I know we certainly go down the F and Cs route fairly often and accuse the others of carrying rampant STDs etc.

I wouldn't dream of saying it to someone i didn't know well, or even less chasing someone down the street yelling it.

OP's husband did the right thing, stop the rot at source, which is clearly the parents - a bit of re-education goes a long way.

It could be I'm wrong, but some of the words in that poem are slightly different to the ones I remember. So maybe this is a politically sanitised version?

In dutch it is also Neger and not nigger. Just refers to the skincolor......

In any case there is a big difference between a neger or black person and a nigger in my opinion......

According to my husband, the name is applied to folks with black hair, similarly, in some areas, blond children are called " Tow Head " and even some name meanings indicate a child with fair / white / blond hair such as Blanche , Boyd and Fionn .

So far as the OP goes, of course nägger meant something bad when used in a mean way, children causing distress to another.

In the question about the paper though, I think that it is meant merely as a term for a black person, more similar to "negro" than to "nigger" in intent. The "ä" is pronounced like the ea sound in "bear" so it makes sense to me that it is more along the intent of "negro" in Spanish and Portuguese.

Anyhow, if you're interested / curious, this Wiki page has some tidbits about words used to describe black people and the differences between ones used with intent to offend and ones used with innocent intent, sometimes they switched places even. (Like Negro vs Black and now African American in the US.)

It still remains a word which is linguistically negatively-loaded.

Whether old-fashioned, disparaging, derogatory or downright offensive depends on how, when and by whom it is used.

Perhaps we have become a little over sensitive and PC in recent years, but this is a term which should be avoided if one has the intelligence and enlightenment to do so.

And I agree with economisto about Austria.

So you are implying that Chapelle does not have it by groaning me?

Your funny And its Neger

Perhaps I didn't understand the film correctly, but just found it bad taste humour.

Please explain, Ouchboy.

(Is it a recent humourous "put-together" and not one really from the Fifties?)

It's Dave Chappelle, it is bad taste humor and it is "current" to some extent... probably something like 5yrs or more old though.

Chapelle has it, but those kids didn't. And I don't think they will, anytime soon.

Words, per se, don't mean harm by themselves. It's all about context. Some words however do not work well in any public context, when people do not know eachother. The word was obviously used because those kids counted on the word not working in the context, aren't they some clever boys...

It's a cheap shot, undignified way and they will hopefully understand later on. No history lessons about humor, affection and bucolic good old times with good old terms will make it hurt less to that kid, the kids knew what they were doing. It's good when things go public.

humour is better left unexplained.

Chapelle took it upon himself to display racial stereotypes, by "putting yourself in someone else's shoes" through an extremely funny scenario. Oddly enough the Wetback family was cut off rom the youtube video I put.

He plays the double entendre using the 1950's American dream/oppresion duality of the era.

but this is a joke which should be understood if one has the intelligence and enlightenment to do so. [/sarcasm.]

If you think that someone who has been on the Inside the Actor's studio and asked to socially deconstruct a sketch for the benefit of the audiance would somehow come as bad taste humor, then you and I differ greatly in taste.