Sick of America Bashing [and other thoughts about America]

Canadians maybe ?

i go n have a sh!t...

Good grief.

The "funny" part about this sentiment is that the American government (and American citizens by extention) really can't win for losing.

Step in to "help" when asked (in whatever form that aid takes) and the US gets bashed... keep out of it and the US gets bashed.

Go in strong and get called a bully, tread more carefully and be blamed for things not being sorted out quickly / harshly enough.

There are some Americans who are actively lobbying (whether local or national level - probably both) to adopt more isolationist attitudes and policies. Sometimes I'd agree with them.

LOL. I use to get this quite often in the UK. I too have an american accent and am not used to saying please when going to a bar to ask for a simple drink. As far as I am concerned I am asking for a service that I am paying for although I do make it a point to say thank you once served. Its such a habitual thing that I kept forgetting. I did find it ironic that the bar tender would be rude to lecture his customer for being rude.

It's a shame that you don't feel the same about your own country. I too am British and have lived in the USA and now here in Switzerland. None of the three counties are perfect and there are good and bad things about all of them and their people. To me it's ironic that you should have to knock your own country, which has more than it's fair share of critics, to protect America's reputation. Thousands of Americans living in Britain obviously see things differently.

Thanks for the link - very enlightening, but I don't think you read far enough...

"...according to more recent research by a political historian of the era,

Ervand Abrahamian , deaths numbered in the dozens rather than the

thousands under the SAVAK, far fewer than the several thousand

prisoners are estimated to have been killed in the Islamic Republic that

followed. While some prisoners during the Shah's era were tortured,

prisoners' letters were much more likely to use words such as "boredom"

and "monotony," to describe their confinement than "fear," "death,"

"terror," "horror," and "nightmare" ( kabos ), the common descriptors found

in letters of prisoners of the Islamic Republic."

.

I'm not American and I am sick of all the bashing too. My boyfriend is American and my love for him extends to his country as well. It's very difficult for me to keep silent and not try to defend his country when it's being, often unfairly and ignorantly, attacked.

I'll be the first to admit that the US isn't perfect. There are many things about it I don't particularly care for. The unbelievably unhealthy partisanship in domestic politics, for one. The Bush years were a disaster of failed foreign policy. My bafflement at the lack of some kind of universal healthcare system to this day, etc..

But when all is said and done, there are much worse places in this world deserving of much more scorn and contempt. If I were to make a list of the worst countries to live in, the US wouldn't even make the top ten.

To the OP, try not to take all the criticism personally. Remember it's not your country as whole people have a beef with, but your federal government.

i think that people have to understand the vastness of the country itself. growing up in ny, spokane, washington, mississippi or any other place in the states for that matter is similar to living in completely different countries. there is such a huge difference in poverty/wealth levels, social experiences, racial/linguistic/religious/sexual/etc identities that it really is difficult to claim any view as "american".

that being said, you'd be really stuck if you tried to find a bush supporter in many parts of the u.s. and in other you will find only bush supporters for long distances. i have been lucky to grow up where i did, especially given the opportunities and experiences i have had because of that. i have not always been proud of being "american" for obvious reasons, but one thing i have always been thankful for is the fact that i could start my life in a poverty stricken area in the bronx with a single mother on welfare, have the chance to study in a wonderful ( and free!) nyc public school being surrounded by over 97 different languages, travel when i work hard enough to support it, protest in the streets when i disagree with something and be exposed to a huge wealth of really imaginative, creative and innovative musicians and artists who begin movements- both artistic and political, from the ground up. people can say what they want about the u.s and i won't argue with them because most of it's true- but the sense of optimism, energy, creativity, openness, acceptance and movement that i feel in my city in the u.s, so far, as much as i love my new home, is unmatched. there is definitely a hunger, a push and a discomfort among many americans with recent situations that spark creativity and change- this i am proud of because it could have easily ended in a cynical, stagnant and morose feeling among most.

as for those crappy reality tv shows and such- their not only popular in the u.s and thankfully not everyone is really watching them!

I can't (and won't) speak for every American but of course, for myself I can say this:

The hand on the heart and the lump in the throat has to do with a number of things.

My great great great great (plenty of greats actually) grandparents on my father's side who came over from Britain as indentured servants (read: slaves for all intents and purposes) and eventually carved a life for our line.

My great great grandparents (some from both sides) who left destitution and degredation from Ireland and Lithuania (to name just two) to come to America for a better life - and found it.

My granfathers who both served in the US Navy WW2... who were simply men who had grown up in poverty and were trying to make a living and followed orders.

My own parents as well as a variety of uncles who also served in the military... and who simply followed orders. Most especially my father who gave up university to join the Marines and was sent to Vietnam. My father who had been the "big man on campus" type but left it to do what he believed was right.

Think what you may but there are STILL people coming to the US from many places around the globe to find a better life from what they left behind - keep in mind that the ideal of what constitutes "better" is quite subjective - and finding it waiting for them there.

That's plenty inspiration for me to get a bit teary at hearing a whole stadium full of people singing along with the national anthem.

honestly the national anthem never meant sh*&* to me till i experienced 911 and then i guess in some weird way i associated it with my gratefulness of being alive. sounds stupid, i know, people all over the world have suffered worse sometimes on a daily basis i know but there you go. to this day i can't really discuss it but that anthem experience really is my way of being thankful i'm here- not really any thing to do with america, the country, patriotism or any of that- just how some things are connected to others.

The whole anthem thing is bloody peculiar, but so are trouser wrestling, bead fidgeting and rock kissing.

Nothing wrong with a bit of diversity in the world - and Americans are as entitled to be weird as the citizens of any strange little European republic...

Good Lawd, what have I started here! All great stuff though, excellent debate and many points well taken.

Setting aside the greater political and social issues for the moment, the elephant in the room, if you will, what is really bugging me is the ubiquitous notion that is accepted and even expected that trashing America is the norm rather than the exception.

For example, when I meet someone new, say from France or wherever, the first thing that comes out of my mouth is not negative, it's about how beautiful their country is or the wine or whatever. But I am shocked how often that is not the case for Americans. It's like it's open season on us and it's OK and somehow not rude. I just need to develop a thicker skin, I guess!

BTW, that was indeed a typo in my initial post. I am well aware that we are not at war with Iran--yet. However, something tells me that the first people they decide to nuke will not pick up the phone and call Moldovia for help. Pretty sure that call will go to that horrible bully, the dire and despicable US of A.

Off the top of my head, here are a few Americans who seem to travel well in Europe

Johnny Depp

Gwenyth Paltrow

Kevin Spacey

Tom Hanks

Leonardo DiCaprio

Susan Sarandon

Tom Robbins

Sean Penn

Matt Damon

The Hoff

...and another one:

...but I think I got away with it.

.

Swiss people (and their expat neighbours) who are very well informed about international affairs live here:

(See the little red bit in between Germany, Italy, France, Austria, the Balkan peninsula, Iberia, Scandinavia...)

Americans who might not be so well informed about international affairs live here:

(See the big yellow bit between Mexico and, er, Canada)

Spot the difference?

We are red while they are yellow (except of Washington, which is red as well)?

So I guess it is a color code:

red = "well informed"

yellow = "less well informed"

About the American Thinker:

"

The American Thinker is a daily conservative website dealing with American politics , national security , economics , diplomacy , culture , and military strategy . [[1]](http://www.englishforum.ch/#cite_note-0) The articles published are often mentioned on The Rush Limbaugh Show , and the site has been mentioned in leading newspapers including Le Monde , [[2]](http://www.englishforum.ch/#cite_note-1) The Guardian , [[3]](http://www.englishforum.ch/#cite_note-2) and the New York Times .

Writing in The Nation about what he describes as "a smear campaign" against Barack Obama , Ari Berman says "At the fulcrum of this effort is a little-known blogger from Northbrook, Illinois, named Ed Lasky, whose articles on AmericanThinker.com have done more than anything to give the smear campaign an air of respectability." [[4]](http://www.englishforum.ch/#cite_note-3)

Writing in the New York Times , Felicity Barringer credited American Thinker with initiating a public outcry over a California plan to require programmable thermostats which could be controlled by officials in the event of power supply difficulties. [[5]](http://www.englishforum.ch/#cite_note-4)

The publisher of American Thinker is Thomas Lifson, and the Political Director is Richard Baehr. Key staff also include Rick Moran and J. R. Dunn. AT reserves "the right to be partisan", hence donations are not exempt from taxes. [[6]](http://www.englishforum.ch/#cite_note-5) "

Says it all in my opinion...

Not 100% true actually. I was having an international affair with a lovely young lady from Chicago, but we eventually knocked it on the head as 3,000 miles was a long way to travel for a shag.

Canada? That's one of ours, isn't it?

[](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/The_British_Empire.png)

...is this another of those euphoniums?

.