As I mentioned, you may find that it is a hollow victory as the paramedics take the child away. If that floats your boat, then great for you.
You are extrapolating to absurdity ( Reductio ad absurdum). AFAIK no one is talking about a motorway. The initial offence was "31" kph in a 30 kph zone, thus if not a pedestrian zone (20 kph limit), at least a residential one.
People here generally do cross the street without looking (Ive seen it many times) as long as they are in a pedestrian crosswalk. And they usually wont cross the street if there is a pedestrian crosswalk to use within sight. It seems crazy to me, as i wouldn't trust any stranger behind the wheel of a car to see me and stop (they could be drunk, or sending an sms, or a thousand other things), but the swiss do it because they have the right of way as a pedestrian, and they trust each other to not drive in an unsafe manner. Maybe not so much in Zurich, (i dont know zurich too well), but in central CH the people stand and wait like slaves to the crosswalk light to cross the street, even if there are no cars anywhere in sight. When you jaywalk, they look at you funny.
About being hit by cars on the bike, once it was a speeding car. once a guy who ran a stop sign. twice from drivers not checking their mirrors. Also I've been intentionally run off the road by asshole motorists with little penis syndrome (Im not generalizing about all of you drivers out there, just these particular ones.) It happened 3 times in Hawaii (likely for being white, a 'haole') Once in my hometown from a cop car. Maybe it's just the US mentality and the UK is different.. Ive ridden my bike all over Latin America and never had any close calls or accidents like in the US....
Speeding is speeding. You should learn to take responsibility for your own actions instead of acting like a little girl who gets all upset because mommy doesn't give her an ice cream.
You deserve to get spanked.
30 kph IS a pedestrian zone, i.e. pedestrians can cross at any moment, no need for cross-walks.
50 kph is residential, i.e. pedestrians should only cross at cross-walks, or are free to cross if more than 30m from a cross-walk.
No such thing as 20 kph zones.
Tom
And that has exactly WHAT to do with Switzerland?
Tom
Maybe not in Ticino, but I've seen plenty in the canton of Bern in various villages and in the city itself. An example in Biel:
So it's fine to drive there at 100kph? (Which is where the killing a child discussion started)
Probably for the same reason that they are 30 zones to begin with....
about as much as the discussion that I was responding to, with the mention of cycling for many years around London on bicycle.
Maybe you should use certain words with more care. There are people on this forum that are old enough to know the real meaning of Nazi .
The speed limit is the maximum that you are allowed to drive in the area, however you ALWAYS have to adapt your speed to prevailing conditions.
Driving at 50km/hour when there are a lot of children about comming out from school, and you had an accidient is considered that you are at fault if you were driving at 50km/hour instead of reducing speed to adapt to the actual conditions. There is jurisprudence on this, i think the case was in Frauenfeld but not sure about that.
I fully take responsiblity..... i have no problem with that
And yet you complain about getting a speed ticket! I is confused
I've had - umm - lost count - number of speeding tickets in the last 9 years (having managed 7 years of owning a car and driving regularly in the UK without one - god knows how!!)
A 40chf is no big deal.
I got a 20chf for 127kmh (recorded) minus 6kmh (allowance) = 121kmh - in a 120kmh zone - but hey ho - I was speeding.
With rounding down and so on, you were likely 20% over the limit in real terms and as pointed out, your speedo potentially higher.
I'd be happy with 40 francs and zero points.
Ok so summary of the topic (by the way there's a lot of similar topic...):
1) You have done a speeding offense.
2) Switzerland take any speeding offense seriously.
3)Actually, your speed a bit was more than 1KM, there are some "reductions".
4) You are frustrated with it.
5) People are not forgiving that you were speeding, even a bit.
6) It seems unfair for you, and yet it feels unfair for others that you are complaining about it.
7) It is a minor speeding especially taking into account how easy it is to go over 5KM/H, and yet there's a sanction, which seems not easy for everyone to accept.
Suggestion: If we had to improve our society, I'd say that this automated system should be moderated. For example:
-First time minor incident (only for little speed 0-8KM)
-No accident involved
-Out of "busy hours" (school, etc...)
Then only an official warning should be raised.
Or even better, the possibility to get back the fine paid, after 18 months period if no new offense was done.
That would probably satisfies both parties: the criminal still get warned and charged, but has a possibility to learn and remove the financial pain from that minor incident. The crowd are still satisfied that the criminal is punished, and that criminal has an opportunity to behave, at least for 18 months.
But of course people are sheep, governments are dumb and only care about profit, so it will never be done.
That's it, topic close! Problem sorted.
That's the difference between the east and the west - although the cameras are slowly marching this way.
In 13 years here, I've never got one, and I'm no saint ....... in fact, I forget that the numbers on my bike's speedo are actually mph, and when it shows 50 in a 50 limit .......... umm.
I was wondering what you would get flashed at for on an Autobahn...many on EF would say you can drive 130 without worry. My speedo is actually pretty accurate (or is it precise? those lessons are too far in the past ), at least when compared with my GPS. My husband's Audi, however, shows he is driving 120 when it is closer to 116 or so...again compared to the Garmin
This question as not much sense, unless you're trying to "push the limits".
It's 120KM max, end of discussion.
PS: If you are really curious, I have witnessed people getting flashed when taking me over, while I was 120KM at my counter- Assuming I was actually between 115-120Km "real". Also backuped up with GPS speed-
They were definitely not much faster, so I'd say they are really flashing you at 120KM (real).
Additionally, I've seen the police car catching someone while we were all 120KM (we were all forming a queue behind the police car). A genius got tempted to be better and drove a few KM faster. Once again he must have been 125KM, I doubt he was even 130KM- Bingo, once he reached the "leader" (police car), they put their light on and pulled him over-
Morality: unless you want a fine- or look like an ars3sh0le (thanks speeder by the way, I had a good laugh)- Stick to 120KM max.
I think they must have marched right over you without you noticing.
You can't get much further west than we are and there are loads of them here.
Before we moved recently we used to have a gap in our fence which went out onto a road where the limit was 50 but only about 100 m further along was 80.
One day the police had set up a mobile camera right next to our gap with some dodgy looking ( ie not realistic looking) camouflage netting over it.
As it was a Wednesday and therefore compost bin collection day I pushed our bin out onto the pavement for collection as per normal. Didn't really pay any attention to the camera.
A couple of hours later there was a knock at the door and a very nice friendly (fortunately) policemen was standing there. It seems that our green bin had completely obscured the view from their camera and so it had been sitting there for two hours for nothing. Oops !!! He politely requested that if I saw a camera in future could I perhaps locate my bin behind it rather than in front of it.
I'm not sure if I believe this. A mobile stop (ticketed) would only happen at over 128kph detected as they have to take 7% off. So it might have just been a warning given.
I think the motorway cops only really get interested if you're over 140kph. Of course you're still at the mercy of cameras in tunnels and roadworks or where the limit is cut because of how the traffic must flow (merging highways, for example).
Speed doesn't kill, inappropriate speed kills. And there are more kittens in built up areas.