Swiss Higher Education

Dear Members,

I am trying to understand Swiss higher education, could you please help me in understanding.

https://www.epfl.ch/education/master...puter-science/

Upon completion of their Master’s curricula, students obtain an EPFL Master of Science MSc in Computer Science. The diploma also gives graduates the right to use the title of EPF qualified Engineer.

How about BSc in Computer Science? Does it allow title Engineer?

I have a bachelor of an engineering degree ( 4 years course ), I can use the title engineer

My BE ( 4 years course ) is equivalent to Bsc in Computer Science or MSc in Computer Science in Swiss system?

No.

IMO with a bachelors of Engineering you can call yourself an engineer. That’s certainly the case in the U.K. Of course your official qualification title is set by the awarding university. Now whether your qualification is recognised in Switzerland is a different matter.

I don’t think you can compare equivalence between totally different fields ie Mechanical Engineering and Computer Science.

I want it to be yes. But no.

Agree

I am referring Bachelor of Engineering degree in computer engineering

Document from SEM : Arbeitsmarktliche Verfugung

My name , DOB , Natioanlity , Ingenieur , Aufenthaltsbewillingung

employer name

Here Ingenieur refers to my profession or education? Am I not allowed to take management positions after 2-3 years ?

Sadly in the U.K. engineer, like accountant isn’t a protected title. Anyone can call themselves either, qualification or not.

Education, certainly BSc, MSc and MIBs has become something you can buy on the internet these days, no need to take any courses...

Fake it until you make it.

Engineer in the UK is a term that goes from one end to t'other, and is often used for a 'mechanic'.

I don't even understand what the OP wants.

Are they asking what profession they should put on a government form? Are they asking what title they should use at work? On their CV?

I assume if they are working in Switzerland their degree is recognised (or not protected).

Surely just use your Swiss job title, "Computer Engineer" or whatever your contract says

Actually, as usual, it depends.

For me this has always been the case since 1986.

My BSEE from a certain US institution has always been accepted as an ETHZ equivalent.

Tom

@OP, what a convoluted way to ask if 4 year bachelor is equivalent to Masters in the Swiss system.

Well, bachelors in Switzerland are 180 ECTS and Masters usually 120 ECTS. Try to find the equivalence of your studies to the European Credit Transfer and Accumulation System. More details on the links:

https://www.studyinswitzerland.plus/ects/

https://education.ec.europa.eu/level...ulation-system

You can call yourself whatever you like as long as you keep it generic, don’t claim qualifications you don’t have and don’t try to pass yourself off as qualified to practice a restricted or licensed profession.

An paper I’m a senior (Fellow) member of the accounting profession with all my qualifications current, but I would not describe myself as such because I have not practiced in 30 years. I’m certainly less of an accountant than many unqualified who style themselves as such and work at it daily.

Beyond your employer checking your qualifications to ensure you are qualified to do the job they are employing you do, nobody but the pedantic care what you call yourself. So knock yourself out and come up with something original.

The only ones I find a bit daft are bankers who don’t own a bank and financial engineers who don’t know which end of a soldering iron to hold.

In some professions an alphabet title is in a lot of cases somewhat meaningless A very good colleague of mine is an MW ( Master of Wine ) ..a qualification totally unrecognised by academics...it is a qualification far, far higher regarded in the wine business and wider food industry as a whole than a formal university degree in viticulture or oenology.

An "equivalence" between one academic degree or title and another is not a personal perception or deduction, but is - as a rule - a decision of an authority - based on a formal act such as a law or an ordinance. In order to find out about equivalence, it is therefore important to identify whether a legal basis allows it and then to have the diploma obtained evaluated in comparison with a Swiss diploma. e.g. It is important to note here that in non-regulated professions (e.g. garage mechanics, translators, editors), it is not necessary to obtain an equivalence: it is the employer who decides what value he wants to give to a diploma. Source: Competent Recognition Authorities (admin.ch)

The use of a generic title such as "engineer" refers to specialized skills which, if applicable, must be compatible with the Federal Law against Unfair Competition (art. 3, al. 1, let.c) : SR 241 - Bundesgesetz vom 19. Dezember 1986 gegen den unlauteren Wettbewerb (UWG) (admin.ch) .

Agree but I am just interested to know the Swiss education framework and Its equivalency to foreign degree

Bologna Process

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologn...n%20Convention .

you can ignore

A ‘first cycle’ (or bachelor's) degree consists of either 180 or 240 ECTS credits.

Usually, a ‘second cycle’ (or master's) degree equates to 90 or 120 ECTS credits.

The use of the ECTS at the ‘third cycle’, or Ph.D. level, varies.

Yes, That is why am curious only with Computer Engineering degree

BSc - 180 ECTS Msc - 120 ECTS ( 300 ECTS ) = Mine 240 ECTS

if I pursue 60 ECTS masters , It should be equal

But, the education system doesn't work like this,

Bachelor is Bachelor

https://anabin.kmk.org/no_cache/filt...schluesse.html

Bachelor (4 years ) == Bachelor ( 3 years )

Thanks all

It’s not just about the number of credits, but the level too. For example a U.K. bachelors is studied between levels 4-6, masters at level 7. You need level 7 credits for a masters, extra credits at level 6 are no good.

Yes , Clear