I dont "need" it as such as I currently have a job, although I would like to live in CH I dont feel I have to take the first offer that comes along. Which leaves me in a position of strength i guess! i'll play a bit of hardball and see what happens
cheers !
When you have a stronger offer, and they say that "they can't negotiate on base salary" or whatever.... throw the question back at them "What aspects can you negotiate with in compensation?"
He does not need a stronger offer, he can just bluff it.
Anyway, a company that is so tight with their money is probably not worth working for.
If you have a good job already and this is not an amazing offer, tell them to up the package or you'll walk.
Yes, but just remember that the Swiss generally despise the first rule of negotiation and say "No".... so you'll have to work a little harder than usual.
Always try to find a way to open the "No" into a "what if" and open the conversation back up.
But you're right, if you don't need the job, then relax and have a bit of fun with it. They wouldn't have given you the offer if they didn't need you, and no employer opens up an offer with their final amount.
Try to 'tune in' on aspects of detail that you can open up new questions with.
Always ask 'open' questions that are not so straight forward to answer. Keep them talking.
Be polite.
Good luck with it.
One other thing you might consider in case you know the details it is if they need urgently to fill in this position. If they are looking for quite some time and the deadline is approaching fast than they should make you a counteroffer that would suite your expectations.
As TidakApa said, no one opens up with their final amount and they know the salary market for your profile so they should be ready to improve on the offer.
Otherwise, if they don't than it was not a serious offer or it's not urgent for them to fill the position.
Maybe there are other benefits that you can have or maybe you can exchange a part of the relocation package for a higher base salary. Like this you win on the long term.
Good luck and keep it relaxed, you have lost nothing yet.
He's not playing Poker here. This isn't just about salary, he also has his reputation at risk.
If an employer calls your bluff, you are going to find it REALLY hard to negotiate the next time around. Especially if they find out that there was no deal.
The reward in this case, is you get a bit more money.... or you end up with the same. Not much reward.
The 'Risk' really is that you won't be taken seriously later on which has far more serious consequences (eg. promotions, further salary negotiations).
i.e. if you threaten to walk down the track, they will say 'walk'.
If you choose to bluff, pick your battles wisely.
As its in NE they tried to convince me that the salaries are much lower than the rest of CH
Maybe you want to live in Geneva and come everyday by train to work. That's your choice and doesn't mean you should be paid differently.
Your value is based on your skills not where you live or the office is. There should be a small relation with the area but that shouldn't be the deciding factor.
Why walk away directly and not try first to see how far you can get with the negotiation. If they don't improve or they do it but not too much than you walk away and nothing is lost, including your reputation.
Focus on "savings potential" rather than the final amount.
This will require a lot of research on 'costs of living' etc. between NE & Zurich (for example), but it's worth the work.
Try to demonstrate the inequality there, and it helps to push the salary up into the range.
Keep the 'benefits' in mind as well when the numbers are weak. Transport, insurance, other perks etc.
Even if you don't want this job, go through the process anyway to sharpen up your skills with negotiating for the next job.
They made the mistake of giving me the offer within 15 minutes of being in there offices so that says to me that they want me.
I've worked out a cost of living on another post and have a fully mocked up copy of expenditure showing potential savings but its not looking too good with their first low ball figure.
I'll email them tonight and see what happens!
my main decision to move to switzerland was the different and more relaxed way of life but no point if I am feeling under valued, under paid, and under saving !
So what you pay for apples you lose on tomatoes and at the end of the day you end up at with same base salary. And if in 1-2 years you want to move than the next discussion will start from the current level.
Don't need to bluff with other offers but just say that the current job offers you already a good package and theirs is not rising to the same level.
Just go for it and remember to tell them that you live in CH and not only in NE
This is quite annoying
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