The EV thread

China grounded first the Boeing 737 back in 2019 and other countries followed. After that pressure the software issue was uncovered and Boeing had no choice but go public on the issue.

This time, people burned to death in China because would-be rescuers could not open the doors after a crash because…no working door handles.

The new regulations were published by China’s Ministry of Industry and Information Technology on Monday, and now require cars sold in China to feature a mechanical release for the door on both the inside and the outside. The rule goes into effect on January 1, 2027, although vehicles that have already been approved for sale in China and are about to launch have been granted a bit of leeway and will not have to change their designs until January 2029.

The ban covers two separate types of hidden door handles. Those with a press-to-release design, where you push in on one end to make the handle pop out, as seen on the Tesla Model Y, are no longer allowed. China is also putting a stop to handles that are electrically powered and extend from the body on their own, such as those on the Kia EV9.

For semi-hidden handles, where the handle itself sits flush with the bodywork but has a carve out below in which to insert your fingers, the rule specifies that there must be a recessed space at least 2.4 inches by 0.8 inch where a person’s hand can grab the handle. The law also required cars to have signage inside the vehicle to indicate how to open the door.

The move comes after several incidents in China, including two instances where Xiaomi SU7 EVs crashed, caught on fire, and experienced power failures, preventing people outside the vehicle from opening the doors and saving those inside. While the new regulations only pertain to EVs sold in China, they could have a broader effect, since China is the world’s largest automotive market.

Cars are the epitome of global standardization. I doubt car makers do 2 versions of cars, one for China and one for the rest of the world. So, the China standard has potential to become a global standard.

For the used EV market, what will happen with older EVs with flush door handles? Will consumers see them as “death traps”? I’d expect that to happen in higher income countries where people changes cars regularly. Give me the new shinny car, bye bye legacy EV and it’s someone else’s problem.

Also, this is just another sign that Chinese car makers and government want to win globally. How to do it? Improve consumer perception by not hiding ugly stuff under the carpet.

PS. it’s the Xiaomi SU7, a nice looking sedan. Well, lab test rats, errrr…enthusiastic early adopters served their purpose. The 2nd iteration might be more interesting.

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Any data on how much longer an EV can run on a charge by having retractable door handles? Does it really make a significant noticeable difference?

I see no problem with my Model 3 door handles. I actually like them they way they are: flush with the rest of the car.

People burn to death in cars with regular handles all the time, too.
You could argue they could be saved if the doors had explosive charges in the corners so you could blast them off in case of an emergency.

Most likely, especially in the case of the SU7, the doors were already deformed beyond where would open without heavy hydraulic tools.

If you can not beat em. Join em.

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The only problem I have is naïve passengers. So when its pouring buckets and I have to jump out to show them how its done, its somewhat of a pain.

So that is why Robotaxi has not been successful?

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In regard to cost, CNG is the best option.

“Natural” gas? Come on…

Ever driven a car running on CNG? No torque, absolute boredom. The issue is that engines designed for gasoline underperform when converted to CNG. I only know 1 exception: a Cummins 6 cyl that was designed to run on CNG, it delivers almost the as its diesel brother.

So, CNG somehow works on trucks with low gearing, the ones where you start in 2nd gear when not carrying 1 ton. But, it’s boredom in passenger cars. It makes BEVs look great in comparison.

Despite what that claims, CNG is very much not climate neutral apart from the miniscule proportion of biogas. Not as bad as petrol or diesel agreed but not at all neutral,

Only for the last 12 years. Have to admit. Not the fastest. But quick enough.

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I had no idea about CNG refueling stations in Switzerland. I lived in happy ignorance haha I’ve been to a BP station in Aarau several times and never realized there’s CNG available.

There are CNG cars in autoscout. As expected a Ram with a 5.7L engine. No one will notice if 100HP are missing because the thing is already a slow elephant.

It’s cool that cars can literally run on cow dung, anyway BEVs win with ease of refueling.

Nothing beats plug and pray!

Nothing beats charging at home!!
:grin:

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I guess Porsche released recently year 2025 sales numbers because there’s some noise in social media.

AI result for estimate of Taycan sales numbers since launch. 2019 was not a full year and not all markets. So, 40k for 2021, 2022 and 2023. 50% decline in 2024, and a 2025 to forget, in spite of the shooting break version and multiple battery and motor combinations.

Meanwhile the world can’t get enough 911s:

I guess the 2026 Taycan sales will be even worse. So, I guess a 2nd generation will be announced later this year. Or, killed after the 1st generation?

PS. there could be a new category in endurance racing for EVs. Race the 6, 12 or 24 hour races with 2 cars. One races while the other one is recharged.

2025 got the 2nd generation already.

They are nice cars. Just not what Porsche buyers wanted.

If you want a used one now, I’m sure they have great deals.

Many of those are still at main dealers with delivery milages hugely discounted & registered so they count as sales.

Even if I was in the market, I’d first have to study the options book.

In the current model, I don’t see much future for them, unfortunately.

I agree with the wiki. Only a refresh, not 2nd generation. So, it is curious the sales went down in spite of the refresh.

A mid-cycle refresh was unveiled in February 2024, for the 2025 model year.

Not interested in a Taycan, too big. It’s only curious because it was a symbol of the transition to electric.