The Myth of Pure Food (or Why Middle-Class Food Bores Are Just Kidding Themselves)

you just need a good curry!

Nope, same variety in both tests (one starchy, one mealy). I don't remember which varieties they were exactly - it's been a couple years - but I purposely bought the same varieties, bio and non-bio, to compare them.

I remember the bio starchy spuds had an odd grassy taste to them - almost like slightly sunburned (but they weren't visibly burned.) There wasn't as much of a difference with the mealy breed I tried.

But I grew up eating good, homegrown potatoes so maybe I'm a bit fussy.

Man tomatoes just don't smell the way they used to!

A few years ago when Coop and Migros starting selling Bio potatoes they had major quality issues. I remember these potatoes as well. You bought a bag and could throw half away already. Since then they have improved the quality. It may be worth giving them another shot.

Sound to me like they were going old.

Old produce in a Swiss supermarket?

Could this be so?!

Well I bloody shop in em Dougal!

Well, yes... but I didn't like to comment on the customers...

I had langoustines draped with thinly sliced pork fat, sprinkled with stonecrop, at the weekend.

It was totally delicious but I forgot to ask if the seafood was sustainable, the lardo was organic or the someone had trampled some flowers while foraging for the green stuff.

I have great faith in the ability of the human body to reprocess most things. On the other hand I do think that industrial farming is a bad thing and that pesticide use should be reduced. That's not to do with my diet . . . it's to do with society and the environment.

Why are there no groan and thank you buttons on this thread?

Because the entire thread is gloriously, deliciously and rampantly off-topic.

But they weren't Bio, eh?

Perhaps it would please the blinkered to see - instead of Bio labels - food packaging with 'Non Bio' labels.

"This meat is pumped full with steroids, water and reconstituted animal product. The animal was kept in inhumane conditions and fed it's own parents. By the way, the streptocockowhatever nasties are rampant! And it took way too much of a carbon footprint and below-par safety and salary levels for the handlers to be dignified, BUT IT'S CHEAP !!!"

There's very little snobery to the BIO movement but an awful lot of wilful ignorance on those who just don't get it. Oh, and while we're at it, it's not a financial question. There are options in this country. Our Grandparents all managed to feed themselves.

Please yourselves, everyone else does.

There's plenty of snobbery to the Bio movement. "Oh how can you eat that awful rubbish! I get all my produce at Borough Market, and feed little Quentin nothing but hand-raised broccoli."

It may not be openly stated, but there's definitely an implied sneer at the nasty, horrible crap that everybody else eats.

I intend to. I'm a consumer as much as any Pure Food Person is.

And many of our Grandmothers did nothing but shop for groceries, clean the house and cook all day.

The olden days have gone. Thank goodness.

Does this happen to non-bio meat sold in Switzerland (other than the water bit which also happens to bio meat, as someone pointed out)?

I don't know about the steroid part, but reconstituted meat products (look for Fleischerzeugnis on the label) made with fillers like water, starch and food colouring - oh yeah.

In six pages of discussion, this struck me as the funniest thing ever. I <3 humane slaughter too! Lets make the cows run free, free as the wind for a few months before we zap 'em with enough electricity to make 'em go into shock, and then cut their throats!

Thank god they had the run of the fields before hand. Else it might've been inhumane! And I totally

... Seriously, I get how vegetarianism or veganism isn't an option for everyone (or for that mattter, even desirable for everyone)- but lets stop pretending there's a nice fluffeh way to kill something and consume it. Letting it eat grass instead of grain, or letting the chicken run free in a yard instead of being stuck in a cage- it doesn't change the reality of the situation.

Which is, the earth loving, spirit cleansing, soul affirming steak you ate last night, still came off the ass of a cow that was bred, raised and killed to feed you. So if you're really into sustainability, and social responsibility as side dishes to that steak- eat ALL of it you can. Tripe? Check. Brain? Check. Tongue? Check.

That's where the hippy dippy pure food enthusiasts fall down, for me. If they're at all serious about the social reasoning behind why they do what they do (I'm making the world a better place, one organic raised pig-ham hock and virgin-picked pea soup serving at a time!) they'd make sure they respected the fact that a creature died for them and waste NOTHING. I have plenty of friends who are into the organic this, and pure food that thing- and all of them at some stage have pulled faces at me, when I mention offal.

There's nothing wrong with pure food, healthy food, whole grains, etc- there's even nothing wrong with paying through your nose for it. I do think that meat should be expensive- cows should be raised eating grass, not bits of other cows. I get that. I get that managing lifestock in the way it was managed a few generations ago is increasingly growing more expensive- and that means the cost gets passed down to the consumer.

Bully for you if you can afford to pay that cost. Lots of people can't. Doesn't mean they're unethical, or uncaring about their (and their families') health. Just means they might not share your priorities. Some meat is better than no ethically raised meat for a balanced diet. Some fish is better than no ethically farmed fish, for a balanced diet. And some bread is better than no whole grain bread- to prevent starvation.

No one is pretending. But the majority of the world is not yet ready to become vegetarian. Many are, however, willing to make baby steps in that direction and that comes with greater care and humanity toward those animals who give their lives. A chicken able to run free for a time before it is painlessly slaughtered does indeed change the reality for that chicken compared to one who may not even make it to the slaughterhouse due to illness contracted while being severely cramped and abused in the chicken coop.

If you want to make a real difference in these animals lives, then become vegetarian yourself. Make yourself so perfect that it actually becomes okay for you to start throwing stones at those who are not yet. Thrusting guilt upon those who aren't yet willing or able to become veg does in no way help the situation. Small steps in a positive direction actually DO make a difference.

I'm not thrusting guilt on anyone. And if it matters, vegetarian I am- and always have been. And yet, I'm perfectly capable of seeing the following- eating meat is good for you (in the right amounts), eating meat that's raised in the way it was raised 200 years ago is BETTER for you.

But I'm also capable of seeing that some people neither want or can be vegetarian, nor can they afford or choose to afford bio/organic. Are you capable of seeing that and refrain from chucking a few stones yourself?

Did anyone say this? If so, please provide some quotes - because I don't see anyone saying this.

I do remember this.

But why not, as per my earlier post, just wait until the cow drops dead from old age and then we eat it ? This would be an option no vegitarion/vegan can have a problem with, no ?