* You have to prove that you're a fully paid-up member of the Luddite Society, and that you live in a cellular/radio block hole.
Yes, even as I wrote that, I knew that someone would point out that it's (kinda*) possible to opt out. Plus there are those on social security. But you know what I mean, virtually every household will be billed -- a far cry from the situation under Billag.
Opting out will be quite difficult from my understanding. Having anything with internet, TV or radio is enough to have to pay.
More of a rule that everyone pays and you have to provide the proof for opting out.
Got a teilrechnung for Jan only so assume will get the rest in Feb.
Quick question, I always assumed that the Billag was incluced in my Nebenkosten and taken care of by the agency...is that common place to anyones knowledge?
No, in fact I don't think that would ever occur for a long-term tenancy. The Billag "contract" was with the resident, not the landlord. But anyway, that's history now.
As Serafe is only for collecting the "Billag-money" (it will take decades to get that name out of our heads ), they can not invest/play/do business with the money. So while your theory is generally correct, it does not apply here.
And so on? I'm a June payer and you just left me hanging?
Well, it's not history, it's still with the resident. Imagine it were with the landlord, we could devide Fr. 365.00 by 6 where I live.
As to what's in the rent: For example payments to UPC cablecom (they charge all kinds of fees, by the time you actually are using their internet or watch TV via their cable you've been stripped ).
Lol. Here's the simple formula to work out when to expect your annual bill of CHF 365:
1. Take the amount invoiced to you by Serafe this month.
2. If it's CHF 365, you will be invoiced in January every year. (All annual invoices are for the year in advance.)
3. If it's less than CHF 365, divide it by 30.416666666667 (approximately ), then add 1. The result is the month of the year in which you will be billed your annual fee.
4. If it's more than CHF 365, you probably live in a nursing home. Feign Alzheimer's and the problem will go away. (There's something to look forward to: the nursing home pays a single fee of 730 p.a.; no more household Serafe fee to pay!)
Of course, if you can read the part of the invoice that mentions the period covered by the partial year's fee, you could simply add one month to the last one noted as the end of the current billing period. But that would require you to have encyclopaedic knowledge of the order of the months. )
It looks like you managed to figure out when your annual bill will arrive, even without my helpful explainer!
I was referring to Billag and its billing practices, as you know... Billag is now history. PTL.
No. But it's not uncommon to include the cost for the signal provider (correct term?), especially with cable.
I wonder why they did it that way. They could simply bill for the full calendar year at different months instead and avoid the double billing.
See, NOW I feel taken care of. I just hate it when people are given all the attention and details and when it comes to me just being told "you'll figure it out".
You're either still on holidays or working for Serafe. I was already flabbergasted by the detailed first post.
365 per year is actually very reasonable.
Me too, bill was waiting for me yesterday :-(
That's been taken out of the Nebenkosten more than a couple of months ago, afaik.
My understanding is that you don't need to provide any proof, but Bakom reserves the right to come and inspect your appartment.
I guess that means within the framework of fair process, meaning they can't come inside without a search warrant, so in other words they will be clocking up costs far in excess of the money they're not getting anyway, so will probably only go down that road if they think they have reasonable chances of actually finding evidence. Billag very rarely actually went down that road, which is why during the finally years they never managed to push their market share beyond the glass celing..
If they really want to play tough, I can see a whole new avenue opening up for wasting bakom's time and money.
Is that correct? From the FAQs on the radio and television fee on the Federal Office of Communications (OFCOM) website:
It's not clear whether OFCOM is allowed entry only with a warrant, or generally, but I wouldn't chance it...
I very much doubt that ofcom has more power than the police when it comes to searching appartments.
But even in the unlikely case that they do, my argumenmt still stands. How much is it going to cost them to come over to my appartment, get a locksmith to pick the lock, compensate me for replacing my lock, compensate me for other stuff they might break, only to find I don't have any devices.
We're talking about minimum 2K in costs per raid here. In other words, that's the annual contribution of six of their custzomers down the drain in half an hour. If only one in six Swiss household would opt out, we would have cost neutrality and no money left for SRF. If Ofcom wants to play that game, let them bring it on.
But somehow I don't think they will.
Right to access doesn't mean they can do so at any time, or force entry at their own decision. They're in the same position as your landlord.
You're obligated to let them in, at a convenient time and date. Failing that they will have to have a court issue a search warrant (and quite probably get one), though I would find that excessive, especially if they called a key service to force the door open.
What makes you think you're owed compensation? In this scenario you intentionally created the situation, as long as they follow due procedure I doubt you'd get more than a sympathetic "Nope, it's your fault".
If they announce the date and time of their visit, doesn't that remove the surprise factor?
If they don't, they can't expect anybody to be at home.
So you think that opting out of a TV charge is the same as intentionally creating a situation that justifies having your door broken on a regular basis?
Only if you chose to go with upc directly (which means had to make new contracts with ups and you're now paying a higher price which of course is - badly - hidden in non-existing extra features).
In fact, the fee went up for the landlord as well quite a while ago (a year maybe?).
Our's decided then not to the raise on to us. Not worthe the hassle I guess as we're all watching the fiberglass being fit into the roads around here = we will all run from upc soon.
Every year.
https://www.watson.ch/digital/schwei...llag-gebuehren
It was CHF 23.20 in 2012, now it is a whooping CHF 39.90
Thanks to fiber to the home this is a thing of the past since 2012
The Ex-Billag fee is a general fee.
If you have a reason for exception you must prove it. (The "Beweislast" is on your side).
To do that - if they don't believe you - you would have to let them in.
Simple.
Ohterwise you will simply be charged as anyone else, reminded and "betrieben". Every year if necessary. LOL.
Isn't it time to play a new game?? Playing "I refuse to pay Billag" must feel a bit like playing "Bertie the Brain"