Schengen isn’t important to your exemption from ETIAS/EES and having freedom of movement - look at Ireland.
…because Ireland automatically and only has freedom of movement because they’re an EU member. Won’t apply to the UK.
Obviously. But previous comments said the UK messed up leaving schengen, they actually messed up leaving the EU/EEA.
Because of the UK and CTA, Ireland is also not in Schengen.
Citizens of the Irish Republic & Irish Passports holders including those citizens of Northern Ireland who are also entitled to an Irish Passport are “really in a sweet spot” over this because:
Irish passport holders possess a unique, privileged status. They are exempt from needing a UK Electronic Travel Authorisation (ETA) when visiting the UK due to the Common Travel Area (CTA) arrangements, and they are also exempt from the EU’s European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS) when traveling within the EU/Schengen area because Ireland is an EU member state.
Dare I say it
That’s the luck of the Irish for you !!!
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Re; Sweet spot. You smug bastards. ![]()
Now, more fun. I’m going to the UK as a Swiss/Brit at the end of march. Which passport do I register with the airline. My Swiss that requires an ETA in. Or my British that requires an ETIAS out.
Possibly their systems can cope… but well. I’ll let you know.
I put my UK passport in the system flying to the UK. For the return when ETIAS comes in, maybe you can then change it when checking in for the return? But in March ETIAS won’t be in force.
Not maybe, you can. Regardless the final check will be at the gate.
Do you need an ETIAS if you’re a Swiss national/have a Swiss residence permit?
No.
Tell me has anyone from Switzerland successfully complained that they should be charged the EU citizens rate rather than the Non-EU citizens rate for visiting tourist attractions in France namely some museums like the Louvre in Paris and the tourist visits and cultural events at the Palace of Versailles.
Of course it’s a lost cause for the Brits to complain but there again there are “the grey area” countries to consider, like Switzerland, Iceland, Norway & Lichtenstein, not to mention The Duchy of Grand Fenwick.
Naturally citizens of Northern Ireland only need to produce an Irish Passport to get the EU citizen rate.
No, not since Fenwexit.
Last time I flew over there (with Swiss) I could register both.
In Greece and Italy rather than France. Sometimes it worked, sometimes I was told that EFTA could but Swiss not and sometimes it didn’t work.
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Last time I flew over there (with Swiss) I could register both.
In Greece and Italy rather than France. Sometimes it worked, sometimes I was told that EFTA could but Swiss not and sometimes it didn’t work.
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According to the Palace of Versailles website, quote:
A reduced rate for European visitors
From 14 January, nationals Regardless of their place of residence.or residents Regardless of their nationality.of European Economic Area member states (the EEA comprises the 27 European Union countries plus Liechtenstein, Iceland and Norway) will be entitled to a 3-euro discount on the normal price on production of proof of eligibility.
So Versaiiles are definitely including citizens of EEA countries as well nationals of EU countries with great news for the hard-pressed British Expats after Brexit. So long as they have a permanent residents card from one of the EU or EEA countries they are resident in - then
you too can buy tickets to visit the Palace of Versailles or attend one of their event at the reduced rate.
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It’s starting to make waves.
All very well introducing a temporary grace period - but there will still be people at the end of that, that will not have heard about it.
Interestingly, I don’t see ETIAS countries pre-advertising that the same requirement is coming up in Europe. I told my friend in Oz who had no idea they needed to re-new their EU passport.
Various press reports are saying that ‘an expired British passport’ and a valid second country passport (without an ETA) would be sufficient to enter the UK at the discretion of the airline.
This may help a few dual passport holders but I’m not so certain the airlines will agree to it, without some cast-iron guarantees that they won’t be fined for bring in inadmissible passengers. I believe the current fines are £1500 per passenger, well in excess of any ticket price.
This is the fun part. Would you really trust Ryanair who are famous for denying boarding on any possible pretext anyway to let you on without 100% certain documentatoin?
I wouldn’t if I were British Airways! No minimum wage check in agent, who likely doesn’t even work for the airline, would risk their job. Scanning the expired passport is likely going to result in a “do not board” response while scanning the other passport without an ETA is going to result in a “do not board” response.
Airline’s normally have no discretion on who they board. They follow the rules to the letter, even when the rules come from cloud-coo-coo-land. Employees that use their discretion and it cost the airline money would be shown the door.
At a very minimum said check-in agent would have to ‘consult’ by phone probably with someone in a responsible position at the airline. Good luck doing so at Grand Fenwick International airport at 00h30 with a flight already delayed 1h30 and facing an imminent curfew.
Ryanair won’t even let you fly domestically in the UK without a passport or national ID. They won’t accept drivers licences for example.