I think you have a cheek to come to a country and run down it's people!
I wonder what they (the Swiss) think of you?
Oh... and by the way, what are you doing here then, in the first place, if you hate it so much?
Some empathy here might be a good idea, and consider perhaps that the poster might be depressed...
Yes - I don't know why sensible, responsible people agree to be bound by so many rules.
Yeah - and at least they have job, which, according to the general vibe I'm getting here, is that, most of you do not. ??? What are you all still doing here?
why are you posting with such an attitude? If you read the whole thread, a chap moved here to be with his other half and tried to make it work.
It was hard for him and did not work out. He went home.
So who has and does not have a job, Einstein?
Well, I do, for one. It is a part-time job, but better than nothing! I am always looking for a full-time one, but do not groan at the Swiss because of it. I also came here to be with my better half. Admittedly, we came together, but we DID have jobs to come to, otherwise we would not have) He went home, so good for him.
But the problem here is that everybody is running the Swiss down, which I do not agree with - it is their country after all. It is not their fault that certain of us do not find jobs.
Indeed, if there weren't so many foreigners here, there would be even more jobs available for those Swiss people, who can't even find jobs! Because somehow, international companies favour foreigners (AND- they, the Swiss, normally, can speak up to four languages!!) Show me a Swiss who can't speak their native canton tongue, one of another, and English to boot!
Not many of us can boast this. No need to run THEM down. You can't expect to go to another country and land with your a*** in the butter! He should have done some job research BEFORE he came, like a lot of us do.
This is a really bizarre series of posts, and I'm trying to find the angle. You came here with a job and with your partner having a job. That's a mitigated risk, the luxury of which many don't have. You have no idea of the status of many of the people on this forum, so please assume nothing. It makes an ass out of you and......just you.
The attitude of "Why don't you go back to where you came from ?" can equally be applied to your good self. Even though I may have a reputation for being a house cynic, I wouldn't dream of saying such a thing to you.
dave
Deary me, you' got a real problem, 'I think it's called frustration ' GET A LIFE AND A MAN.
thanks Dave ... now wiping slibowitz out of my keyboard ....
Well here's the angle Dave - I know it was a mitigated risk to come here - I have a Swiss passport. My husband is Swiss. I know I am lucky. But even then, we did not assume that we could just waltz back in without a job! I am just tired of the Swiss being run down, in their own country, because foreign people can't find a job. Then sometimes not even trying very hard to learn the language. And expecting a job to fall into their laps. Why should we presume that we could find a job that easiliy. This is Switzerland, and we need to know at least one of their four languages if we are to get anywhere. Would you go to Russia for instance, and expect to get a job fall into your lap?.
And honestly, if we are replying here to a thread named " why I HATE the
Swiss ", why do you insult my assumption that if one "HATES the Swiss so much", that they should not go back to where they came from? And why do you advise that I should go back to where I came from? I am very, very happy here. I do not hate the Swiss! To me, they, the Swiss, are the most kind people in this country - The ones that people encounter in public offices etc., the ones that are supposedly to be so rude, ignorant, lazy.....(quoting from other peoples experiences), just check out their names ---- they are surely not Swiss! They were just lucky their parents came here when they were young, and they managed to get an education and a job thereafter.
You will rarely find a rude Swiss. To me, they have great dignity. Why are these people HATING the Swiss - the hand that feeds them for the duration of their stay, the hand that let them into their country in the first place. This HATE is a very strong word!
True, I don't know the status of many people, but what are they doing here if they are so unhappy?
If things did not go right for us when we came back here, I would never have blamed it on the Swiss! I would have blamed it on our inability to make a go of it. Life is what you make it, not what the country can make for you.
And I am sorry that you, and a few others, should feel so offended, but this forum is all about saying your piece, n'est-ce pas?
I LOVE SWITZERLAND
nice to see you have integrated so well .....
That's because all of these office workers are not, in reality, Swiss at all, and couldn't give a d***.
Don't blame the Swiss!
Oh... I sooo agree with you
I'm a bit confused ....
Followed by .......
So, you came here with your husband. Who is Swiss. But he went home. Surely that would be back to Switzerland
I also like this one
Spoken like a true .... erm ..... Swiss So ALL of the rude people are foreign eh.
Curiouser and curiouser. I don't think anyone on this forum, or even this thread "hates" the swiss in the way that you are suggesting.
It's good to hear you are happy here. So you have a swiss passport; were married to a swiss man and feel the need to trumpet the cause of your newfound country, just in case anyone might doubt your swiss patriotism ?
I love Switzerland too, but not in a happy-clappy-jumping-up-and-down-in-glee-Are-we-having-a-good-time-yet kind of way. The country is indeed what you make it but advocate that these foreign people leave because they express dislike of certain aspects of it is very patronising, nay insulting.
dave
Hi jenniferpache,
I think this thread isn't about hating the Swiss as much as a complain that they find the system difficult at times (all the time?) The person who started this thread was having a very difficult time and used a very strong word to describe his situation. It's unfortunately miss-worded as saying he hates all Swiss people which isn't what he meant as his wife (if memory serves) is Swiss herself.
So, I don't think there's a need to defend the Swiss as they don't need defending. I think most in this forum would agree with you in principle that if someone does not like the way things run here as a whole, they should perhaps find greener pastures. However, you've received many groans I suspect because your posts come through as being both overly aggressive and hitting at a straw man. I think if you made your posts slightly less hard hitting, people might see your point instead of the aggressive attitude.
Bon soir.
I lived in so many places and it is so easy to make comparisons with your own home country (or your native country since the word home caused a stir earlier in the forum). But is that a fair comparison? Each place will have its own difficulties, barriers and attractions. Also many of you wrote as if foreigners in your own native countries are having a superb time because all is good in that country. It works both ways... I am sorry to remind you. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to file a work application in US or in UK or in Canada? Or if someone realizes that you are a foreigner in Italy? Or try Asia.... Russia can be hell when it comes to set up a life, same goes for Uzbekistan or other Central Asian places. Finding a job as a foreigner in other places. Regardless you are there by force or due to personal choices. Anyway, we just have to keep an open mind for all as that is what the expat life is all about...
As for the real thread topic... I had the time and read all the postings. I have to agree for those who said he needs to get up and be positive and bit more agreesive in job-hunting.
When I read the whole thing (and believe me I have been in bad situations myself where I had no money, no support, no job, bills to pay and counting bread slices for week supply of food) I can see how frustrated you can be. It is hard but at the same time you seemed to expect too much from outside world with little effort from you. In every suggestion brought out, you refused it. People suggested you can run to get the stress out you said no I do not like the sweat and something about glasses... So even exercising is not an option. You asked the people what do they do to pass the time, they only suggested drinking which I am happy to hear that you passed that one. So you live in a village with drunks??? I find that hard to believe. Some people suggested for you totake the train to near by places and expand your options. You kept quiet to that. You have dismissed the volunteer work obviously you need the money. You were angry because the employer gave the job to someone else. You wait for your wife to make certain decisions for you. You have also dismissed an idea of getting an online job with US. So many. I know and understand you are down. But do you think it has taken over you? It is so badly affecting you that you think your child cannot be bilingual in US... According to you, the only people who can provide other languages or can be bilingual in US are illegals... I hope you are not serious. I mean C'mon brother, cheer up and get real!
People try and people try really hard to make it whereever they maybe. Of course it is hard and I do and God I do know how terribly hard it can be to make it. No one will give you job because you have a certificate. I know it is hard and you invested a lot to earn it. I had a masters degree, with 2 languages, international work experience and still had to count the bread slices my friend. That was in US in Clinton times when the job market was blooming. It took me a while to snap out of things and turn my life around. But I made it happen. Called places, harrassed all my connections past and present, did online searches, even gave parties in my neighborhood to get to know people so that I could harrass them for jobs later on. I had a huge debt but things slowly changed and worked for me. It is a competitive world and market. It is not because you do not have enough experience, or have a lousy area of knowledge... It is not because Swiss people are hard or have attitude. It is about how much you want it and how much you are willingly to do. First of all, if you are looking for jobs (part-time or hourly) no one will give it to you. Do you know why? You are probably reflecting your negativeness to the people. You say I need to get couple of crap jobs. If someone comes to me to be a waiter and reflects that (and we all do reflect what we think/feel inside one way or another, by the way we walk, talk, our eyes, tone of your voice, etc) I would not hire them either. Because you do not show respect to the job you are applying (you in your mind saying Gosh is this a crap job or what) and you are probably reflecting your depression.
Basically I am sorry to say but you did not strike me as a person who is out there with all will and intention who wants to make it. I know this sounds harsh but I think a lot of people here have been giving you great ideas, you seemed to have a nice family, good group of friends, good in-laws, yet you have very little interest to make the effort because area you live is not as good as Bern and you do not have the right certificate. I know people teaching English and not all of them has all types of certificates. Also your excuse about marketing is bit lame. You cannot prove your work cause bankcrupted company Ames. As long as you are personally responsible for it who cares? Start thinking out of the box. I think you are the biggest hinderance to yourself which at some point you have noticed. Still though, you made some other excuses to rationalize it. It was about not having a valid specilization of work or something in that line. I tell there is no ideal profession which you will be grabbed where ever you may be. Even doctors can end up as taxi drivers or waiters in some countries. I think you should really pick up the pace because the bigger places are much more competetive and cruel. No one will put carpet out once you arrive to town.
Again I am sorry and again I do understand the difficulties and limitations and emotional turmoil one can have. I have been there myself and believe not only once but couple of times. If you think you got it bad, you should think again. At least your in-laws are supporting you. At least your wife is there and taking steps. I know you want to support your family but it is not going to happen just because you say so. Again I am not writing this to make you feel bad. Sometimes we have to be cruel to be kind.
Unemployment is at its lowest level for some time. gurutalon came here as he came with his Swiss wife (if you bothered to read the thread before posting, you might have spotted this) he tried very hard to integrate, to get a job to support his family and to get on (he actually did not complain too much considering) it's not just the Swiss that can speak 4 languages and finally, sadly, not all people are perfect like you. Thank goodness, some would say.
actually I think you'll find most of the office staff to which Gav was referring are Swiss.
Plus they work for the local government and surely should know what they're talking about - whether they're Swiss or not?
Wow Nini, way to go girl!!!!....i completely agree with you Life is ALWAYS good and GENEROUS to those who don't complain and give excuses....who simply just accept and make the best out of their life....i recently met an Iraqi girl who fled from war in her country...if u know what she's been through, u will be shocked and start thanking all the blessings that u have right now...because life can be worse than u can imagine!