Why i'm leaving Switzerland

In the words of a great Seelisberger train engineer, "Er het kei Schoggiläbe"

I think its natural you should be expected to speak a high level of German but luckily there are many jobs where that is not a requirement.

(For nursing i think we can both agree German is a must )

1.5 years here is not a long time, generally it takes a good 2 years to get over the "Trauma" of moving to a different country.

I know Switzerland is far from perfect (Then again where is?) but i really believe life is what you make of it.

I actually did an intensive German course when I first arrived for 5 months. However this still isn't enough... you would need maybe 2 years of intensive German to be fluent enough for most jobs here.

Here is the catch. When I was working I no longer had time to learn any more German. As a result, I have actually forgot a lot of things I learnt. Now that I am no longer working I have the time, but not the money to continue intensive classes. How are you supposed to take classes at 800 CHF a month when you're unemployed?

What annoys me most about Switzerland is that you aren't even allowed to keep a kangaroo as a pet.

We tried to compensate it by having a really big rabbit but it is not the real thing.

I have had friends here who ended up unemployed and the Dole office (or what ever its called here) sent them on the German courses... full time.

Also friends in Frnace & the dole sent them on french courses...

Its worth checking out!

RAV will send you on, and pay for, language lessons if they think it will help find a job. Quite simple, really, and one of the plus points about the Swiss system that even you couldn't complain about.

To be honest I actually prefer the culture of Germany to Switzerland.

In Germany people are a bit more laid back (not as much as Australia though), seem happier, and more friendly than the Swiss. I rarely ever see a Swiss person smiling, seems like they are all miserable. The Swiss seem to wear depressing dark clothes (especially the women) with shades of grey and brown. In Germany they wear a lot brighter clothes. It is also rare to ever see a Swiss woman wearing anything but jeans, while in Germany they tend to dress more feminine and wear skirts/dresses more.

They still have a lot of silly rules in Germany, but not as extreme as in Switzerand.

They already did, but it is limited to 3 months. They said they don't pay for any more beyond that.

Not sure why they think 3 months is enough to end up speaking German fluently for a job?

I come from a place where, when you are bumped into, you're the one that apologizes.

Canadians are too nice?

Why should they?

Empirical evidence presented by the OP shows that "us" does not include "her".

Not having 800 CHF a month to spend on an overpriced course is a pretty lame excuse for not learning a language. There are plenty of FREE online resources for learning German. You could also watch German TV, or, imagine this, go and speak German with people that speak German. Advertise for a 'tandem' partner to teach German to you in exchange for you teaching English to them (um, that is, if they consider your Aussie English to be English - kinda sounds as different as German and Schwiitze Dütsch) aightine (18), for example.

So you're an expert on Germany now? You do spout some rubbish.

I actually prefer the culture of Brisbane to Sydney. The people are friendlier and dress better. They are also taller and cleaner...

As AussieSwiss is leaving would it not make sense to ban him/her just now to prevent all the necessary groans and red blobs that are being thrown around by him/her?

To be fair some of your points are very valid: recycling, water, customer service, Sunday shops - however I don't think these are reasons to leave a country.

The healthcare might be expensive but it is worth it in terms of quality. I understand if you are a person who doesn't need to go to the doctor often then it might seem like a waste, but when you really need it it will be a life saver - literally! Plus the fact that it makes you hesitate before going to the doctor... well that is a good thing, you clearly didn't need to go to the doctor in the first place!

English - well it's not an English-speaking country. The fact that there are jobs here where you don't need to speak the local language is pretty amazing in the first place. Imagine going to Oz as a German speaker and looking for a German-only speaking job!

Laundry - you live in the wrong apartment. Confront your neighbour over the laundry - or stop their cycle mid-way and put it in a basket.

Weather - welcome to northern/middle Europe! .. I went to Sydney a year ago and it rained the whole time I was there too, I was pretty annoyed!

Lack of nightlife - totally with you on this one. I miss London! However I do have single friends in Zurich and they seem to have a great time. Try joining some of the expat groups maybe? Don't go looking for friends who are just Swiss.

Racism - I remember coming across a lot of racism in Oz! There are some pretty intolerant people there!!!! I remember one guy who worked as a tourist guide telling me that he got so angry when people dared to come to his country when they didn't speak English properly. I mean a tourist guide said this!

Expensive - yes I agree, but when you go on holiday outside of CH isn't it just a joy to go on a huge shopping spree!!

Wish you the best of luck, but everywhere has its ups and downs!

OT: She can't red blob, as she's deeply in the red herself, and groans are hardly the end of the world, are they? Sit back and enjoy the ride - some of the other posts in her threads are sometimes worth reading.

I just love the way he groans at everyone who doesn't agree with him.

When are you having your leaving party? I'll bring a bottle of water. Should also drop the Swiss of his user name.

Sacrebleu!

I'd never though in my life that I would ever read the word "germans" and "friendly" in the same sentence!!

PS:

I cant help but feel like people miss the point of moving abroad if you then get caught up on complaining about the differences in culture. I'm going to leave the complaints about weather to one side, as a Brit I love complaining about the weather.

My motive to move is to experience something different, and adapt to the environment not expect the environment to adapt to me and if you are thinking any other way then "you're going to have a bad time"

HOWEVER...

I say this as a trailing spouce yet to move out, so perhaps get back to me in 6 months and I will be angry that no english is spoken in a non english speaking country too

Ha-ha!

You can't fool me twice!

How much will it be for the water???