You can't live on less than 70 000 in Switzerland?

So you're just here for the money and not to make the place home?

Strange how the world changed in the last twenty years. When I went to work abroad, exactly the same reasons were given to pay you a lower wage. To us working abroad was sold as a rewarding experience and not as a sacrifice. But your reasoning explains the attitude shown of some people in this forum.

Or is that what you told the missus?

Anyway, good luck finding a new apartment!

Twenty years ago most of the job for expats were with an expat life style, with hell lots of financial support and it was a jackpot to get one of those jobs.

Now, having your job relocated abroad doesn't necessary put you in this category. Now, it is what someone has do do to keep having a job. And yes it goes in sacrifice category when one has to give up the job for the other one, when they have to go away from family, friends and support circle for a place they don't know with a salary that doesn't necessary compensated that sacrifice. You do it anyway, why? Because with hope that later on it will gets better, that something will be worthed at the end.

We are not all here because we wanted it, we are not all here by choice but many of us are here by lack of choice, by necessity and because it was the obvious move to do. That doesn't make us see all about here in pink!

It is quite a big overhead to get integrated in a new country.

My below argument may vary depending upon how ''settled'' you are.

1. locals don't have to pay for German classes .

(as an example belingua, of-course there are cheaper options, but on an average)

each level takes around 18 to 20 weeks!

prices 2011 average 300 chf per week.

this would be multiplied by the number of members in the family.

not all companies help in the integration.

2.Various misc charges Driving classes , which they would be already eligible in their home country costs another add on

3. when expats move, there is not an immediate disconnect from the home country. Most have them have to manage mortgages/property, back home too.

An yearly family trip to sort things back home also adds to expats' expenditure.

4. with one person earning, inspite of the good social security system in place, there is always job/ visa renewal insecurity.

5. Many expats due to the insecurity or ''long term invisibility'' are forced to send their kids to expensive ''international'' schools.

6. Not everyone who moves in here works in basic jobs.If not all, some are highly qualified, lead a decent life back home. So if the salary for basic jobs is around 3500.people with professional qualification experience have expectations to earn atleast double than them.

7. like someone mentioned , trailing partner who left behind an established career would also add to the salary expectations. Having no assets here like home, or parents relatives to take care of your kids when needed, also adds to the cost

So the answer to the question if one can live on less than 70 000 in Switzerland?

yes one can. but is it worth the effort of staying away settling down in a new region away from your home country. May be not.

show off!!!

Me, nein I'm just trying to stay on topic, "badly"

Nope. There aren't only two options. I don't regard any one place as "home" and never have. Moreover, I'm on a UK-fixed salary in £ and so I'm poorer here than in any other country in the world. There are loads of positives here like the low crime rate (sorry LiB!) and good quality transport system, healthy lifestyle and beautiful scenery. Right now, especially since the 2008 currency drop from 2.1 down to 1.5ish, I'm here for the OH and will be for the next 2 years at least. Right, I'm off to get a £20 pizza.

Please correct me if I am wrong, as somebody working with expats or in an international school would know better than I, but I have the feeling that more and more people don't really have the choice to go abroad or not: the company decides, or the home labour market is too hard to secure one's future. That come closer to the classic immigration, without the misery and with far better diploma/competences.

But please correct me if I am mistaken, as I wouldn't like to live with misconceptions.

As for the original question, it is an easy one: yes, one can. Now make a new thread to ask how one lives here with 70.000 CHF.

I'd reckon that fits into the 'home' category, if it's not under sufferance. Whether or not you chose to make it home is another matter, although why someone wouldn't want to get under the skin of the place in which they live beats me. Perhaps I need to get out to my Casa in Sardinia more often...

[Not wanting this to be an ad hominen , but many do seem to be here purely for the scratch and still feel the need to moan about their life here. ]

OK so yeah, absolutely, this is as much of a home as any other, and I like it here on balance. But I have no preceding interest in Switzerland or in the German language the way I do have with Barcelona/Spanish, Cairo/Arabic, French (generally). Also, I work long hours and in my free time I'm very "Italy-facing". I'd much prefer to live in the south of Switzerland from a cultural point of view. Having said that, a good proportion is laziness and lack of necessity on my part, so you have given me food for thought.

Economisto - start by trying a "Swiss" pizza - we use Blätterteig (puff pastry) instead of pizza dough - home made. Should come in at quite a lot less than £20 and it tastes really good.

Is this flammkuche? I tried it if it's that - very light and tasty. I'm not blaming Switzerland for the exchange rate though, that's just a facet of my life in particular and nobody's fault.

Nah, Flammkuchen is from Elsass. This is something so down to earth, no restaurant will serve it.

Then, to be sure, less than £20!

Ok, I tried to create a new thread with the title: How CAN an average family live on less than 70k in Switzerland, but for some reason the thread was moved to the trash . During the last hour, it got some nice responses, which may be of value here....

Here is the summary of "trash"....

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OK, let's summarize what we have so far:

Housing/Rent

Don't rent something in the most expensive uptown part of your region. Drive around the most interesting neighbourhoods until you find a region where kids are playing outside after school. Jot down these regions, and then look for the good appartments for rent. Communication / Internet

pre-paid mobile phone (no surprise bills and keeps you very aware of the costs).

bundled internet with phone, no cable tv (actually, we don't have a tV at all!)

Sorry, but "tarte flambee (flammekuechen)" is a staple in our home!

The 6cm thick stone in my gas-grill-converted-to -pizza-oven was purchased in Alsace!

Tom

I'm not talking of Flammkuchen!

Very practical thread. Living trade secrets someone like myself, preparing to move to Switzerland with a family of four, can benefit from enormously.

I live in Chile. Every year I contract teachers from the States for my language school. When they get down here, it ́s like they speak a different language; what they have heard about Chile from friends or acquaintances in the States is way off base: where they should live, shop, etc. And during their first few weeks down here I provide them with a series of living/standard of living/cost of living insights I have acquired after living many years in Chile. Of course, first I listen to what they want, but I also know how much they will make, so it ́s easier to reduce their life style choices to a certain segment of society.

Hope people continue to provide their living insights.

they have these salary brackets because most of the general public gets social aid for the house rent and medical insurance its the people who are invisible to expats like the cleaners, factory workers etc.etc. life is very tough here for the lower class even the middle class has tough time with taxes