Advice for a dog in heat

Hey folks,

Zola the-awesome-sidekick-labrador is in heat, which is not something I've dealt with before. She started to swell and bleed 2 weeks ago today, which I was initially relieved about because honestly I was starting to wonder if it had happened without me noticing (she's 16 months old and this is her first season). She has a complicated health history, including a major surgery and part of her intestines removed at 5 months old, so the vet indicated that the trauma to her body may have delayed her first season (and because of this, he also instructed that she not be spayed until the first one is out the way).

Having now seen what happens when they go into season, I don't know how I ever thought I could've missed it!

Anyway, I'm starting to worry a little, because everything I've read online says that the bleeding will last 5-10 days. We're now at 2 weeks and still going strong. As far as I can tell, there is no other cause for concern - she is behaving normally, her appetite and energy levels are strong, and she's drinking plenty of water.

I don't know if I'm being a panicky pet-parent in wanting to rush to the vet, or if this is perfectly normal... so I thought I'd ask here to see what others' experiences have been. Any advice is appreciated, thanks as always.

Many vets recommend letting a dog go into season once and then spay them.

That's what we did with ours when they were quite young with the exception of one who wasn't spayed when we got her and she needed spaying on an emergency basis as she had pyometra.

I suggest you take your dog to the vet to be sure there is nothing wrong.

The 'season' lasts about 3-4 weeks. But since cycles can vary, and because a mismating is unacceptable, I always kept my girl who could not be spayed under lock and key for at least 4 weeks. Here is a good description of the cycle:

https://pets.webmd.com/dogs/how-tell-if-dogs-heat#2

There are four stages to the cycle:

Proestrus, which lasts ca. 5-10 days. You may start to see swelling and the bleeding will start. Males start to take notice, but the female will likely not allow a mating.

(In her first heat, in proestrus but before obvious bleeding so I was too much of a newbie to realize what was happening, fluffy little nine month old 6kg Swimbo almost took out an inappropriately interested Ridgeback. She was fierce! That was when the penny dropped, and off we went to the vet for a crash course in canine reproduction cycles.)

Estrus: Sometimes called standing heat. This is the receptive phase, when a female will allow a male to mount. Bleeding usually has stopped by this time, but swelling might still be present. Estrus usually lasts ca. 5-10 days. THIS IS THE DANGEROUS PART!

Diestrus: Lasting from 10-140 days (the latter if pregnant). The bleeding has stopped, swelling should be mostly gone. (This is usually the phase when a dog might experience a 'phantom pregnancy. The dog is not pregnant, but the condition can be distressing. If you suspect this, see a vet.)

Anestrus: The period between cycles, usually around 6 months.

As with us, all this may vary with the individual. And cycles may vary for each individual. Because one cannot easily say exactly when one phase ends and the next begins I treated the entire cycle as one and kept Swimbo under house arrest for the whole time.

More here:

https://www.eastcentralvet.com/canine-estrous-cycle.pml

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Be aware that it is becoming less common for males to be neutered in Switzerland these days - you should assume every single male you see is intact and take precautions accordingly.

Unfortunately, the decline in neutering seems to have coincided with a rise in owner irresponsibility. I have seen too many owners unable to recall their intact dogs if a female in estrus is anywhere in scent distance. Seriously - be very careful during this time!

A female in heat should limit time out and about to avoid encounters, always be kept on a short lead, never be let off to run, and be under your direct involved supervision at all times.

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I was OTT about this, as I am with everything canine. As above, I kept Swimbo under my direct supervision at all times, even in my own fenced in garden she went out only on lead.

I have seen dogs climb fences, one even crashed into a glass door trying to get to inside the house. I only walked Swimbo before dawn and only with someone to help me if needs be. The latter because once I had to carry her held high above my head while a dog snapped me, trying to get to her.

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Sure, two months of purdah a year was a pain - but the time can be well spent. We did a lot of brain-training games, bonding, etc. during that time. I made up for her decreased physical routine with mental stimulation.

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Swimbo could not be spayed when young because of a heart condition. However, at age eight she developed closed pyometra, a life-threatening condition. She had to have the surgery we had feared would be too much for her, now while she was desperately ill. Pyometra is fairly common in unspayed older females, and the mortality rate is quite high.

Interestingly, when we had to do the emergency surgery, it turned out that her heart was fine. Perhaps she had either been misdiagnosed all those years ago, or the condition spontaneously recovered. Moral of that story: If you are advised against elective surgery for health reasons, re-evaluate that periodically.

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FYI, if you are in a training class or other activity at a shared training area, ask your trainer if you should come to class or not. Many will ask you to stay away, but increasingly some are allowing females in heat in the class, I guess because with neutering on the decline some trainers feel that owners need to learn how to deal with raging hormones in their dogs.

If you decide to go to school (which I wouldn't, but thats me) it is only fair to your class mates - and everyone who uses the ground in the next few hours - to warn them so that everyone can take precautions. And boy, do you need to be on your game that day!

Be aware that several cantons require females in estrus to be on lead at all times in public. Which of course is only common sense.

Again, I go for the OTT, better safe than sorry approach. I just made sure that Swimbo had as an enjoyable time under house arrest as possible. The time will fly by if used productively.

Oh - at the end of the season, make sure she has a thorough bath!

ETA:

Don't hesitate to go to your vet if you have any questions. Go sooner rather than later. There are no silly questions when it comes to your dog's reproductive health and safety. Every vet worth his or her salt would rather you come in with a host of questions than have you come in with an unwanted pregnancy or health emergency that could have been avoided.

Good luck!

Thank you both - I really appreciate your time and advice

She's definitely sad that we've stopped going to the run-free park every morning! But I've upped the mental stimulation to try and compensate - I've got two new puzzle trays (the Nina Ottosen ones are fantastic!) and she gets a different Kong each day, alongside the usual snuffle mat / licki trays / biscuit balls. Zola has a toybox to rival any spoilt child, I think

I'm shocked at the aggression boys will display to get to a female in heat, that's quite incredible! But good cautionary tales, I do feel like my head is on a swivel when I'm walking her at the moment. Our morning walks are super early so we rarely encounter anyone, fortunately.

My partner, who still lives in the UK, has just reminded me that we have a vet neighbour, so he's going to drop by this afternoon and ask her professional advice too.

My girl is intact and bleeds for nearly three weeks usually. You’re right to want to know though as long term bleeding can indicate infection sometimes. If you decide to keep her intact, you’ll learn what her normal is and get used to it. In theory, a bitch only breeds once she’s done bleeding but mine stands while still bleeding, as do her mother and sister. Males are not always very intelligent and will obsess over pre- and di-estrus bitches. In my experience a male who has bred a female before has generally learned to take her cues and tends to be more respectful than males who have never bred—even neutered ones can be quite obnoxious and are capable of “breeding” and even tying with a female—just FYI!

I take my girl on walks on a three meter lead in areas with very few other dogs so she can still enjoy some good walks, although she often feels so sorry for herself the first ten days that she doesn’t want to do much anyway. Most bitches start “standing” around 9-11 days and can keep standing for several days up to a week even. A mature bitch will make it extremely clear when she’s not interested anymore. I often use my friend’s neutered-but-still-interested male to help me confirm that my girl is not standing anymore so I can bring my intact male back home.

Definitely always give your vet a call if you’re concerned about something!

we just went through this.

The bleeding went on and off for about 20 days, but the colour changed from red to light pink/yellowish at about day 10 -12 and stopped for a few days, and then back to red in the final couple of days. Spoke to the vet afterwards to make an appointment for spaying and she said this is normal and the pink/yellow part in the middle was the dangerous part.

My little sweetheart had no idea what was happening. She wanted to stay home and was all cuddles and sleep. She wasn’t interested in any males throughout the 3 weeks. Maybe because she was only 11 months and her first time.

Anyway it’s been 8 months since that time, so maybe it’s not every 6 months?

So relieved and happy to say, it really wasn’t a problem.

It can vary, as it does with humans.

Swinbo was irregular, first heat at nine months, then it varied between about six to seven-ish months, with a few outliers. Once she went four months, once ten.

But I certainly am no expert. My only other experience with my own dogs was with Hooligan, who had her first season at 11 months, the day after I adopted her. (That was fun.) She was spayed after that.

If it's been 8 months, just keep a close eye on your girl.

Just an FYI: Tre are some (not too common) medical conditions that could be related to an irregular cycle. There is also what is sometimes called a silent season, where the dog ovulates but the typical signs are not apparent.

As with any question about our pups' health, a chat with the vet is always a good idea. Hopefully (and likely) there isn't any concern given your girl is so young, but I always feel better after talking to my vet.

Our 3 female dogs were spayed upon the advice of our vet, but it only took one heat cycle to convince me it was the right thing to do in our case. We had no intention of breeding any of our dogs.

Now we have an intact male. Where we used to live there was a woman living two houses away who was breeding her dogs and at almost any given time one was in season. As she had a fenced garden she thought it was okay to leave her dogs outside. The houses were not close together and yet when our dog was in our garden he would go outside and howl. The neighbour on our other side would yell at him, and me. I couldn't even play outside in the garden with him. He is always walked on leash and I would try not to walk past her house.

Having never owned a male dog before, this was all new for me. A friend in the village who owned a young male intact labrador told me that the owner of the females in season should be keeping her dogs indoors as much as possible. I said great, you go tell her that. She said she had, but obviously it was ignored. The situation just kept getting worse.

We ended up moving and now we have no neighbours.

Timing of seasons definitely varies. Some are super regular, like mine who goes seven months almost to the day. Others have more variation. Bigger breeds in general tend to have fewer seasons—sometimes only once every 11-13 months! Hence why the criteria “breeds only once every other season maximum” isn’t always a good rule of thumb for a good breeder. So much depends on how frequently the bitch comes into season, how many puppies she might have had and what her condition was like after weaning and how quickly she bounced back.

Definitely one shouldn’t be leaving a bitch in season in one’s yard to cause havoc for intact males. Just as one shouldn’t allow intact males to roam—this past time I was walking my girl nearby and a little intact chihuahua followed us the whole time. Thankfully he was small and kept his distance. We’ve also once had a Lagotto follow us but thankfully he also was respectful and kept his distance and ultimately recalled back to his owners. My boy once swam across a (very small) river to greet four lovely girls just coming into season! Everyone had a good laugh, the girls were not in season yet but just starting to smell good to an inexperienced young male. He tried his luck to charm them but figured it out after a few minutes and came back to us.

I have memories of when I was little and my mother put underwear on our boxer dog when she was in heat. I was so little and unable to understand why she was wearing them that for a long time, I thought it was just normal for dogs to sometimes wear panties.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, don't spay/neuter your dog before the age of 15 months! If at all!

There is plenty of scientific evidence (younger than 2005), that it is bad for the dog for several reasons.

It is forbidden by law to spay/neuter dogs in Germany without health reasons. Vets who recommend this before 15 months just want to make money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enPCZA1WFKY

One of the sources for 'thought provoking' on all sorts of canine topics that I repeatedly turn to is the SkeptVet blog.

Written by a veterinarian, his mission is to get us - vets, canine professionals, companion dog owners alike - to focus on evidence-based science and medicine rather than the emotional decision making or logical fallacies we can fall into. (Or be led into, marketing being what it is...)

The SkeptVet has done an excellent meta analysis of various studies around the top of neutering/spaying, published first in 2010, and updated again in 2014 and 2020:

2020 Update:

https://skeptvet.com/Blog/2020/01/ne...uter-your-dog/

2014 Update, link to 2010 meta analysis:

https://skeptvet.com/Blog/2013/04/be...ased-approach/

http://skeptvet.com/Blog/wp-content/...s-and-Cats.pdf

(The tables at the end are especially interesting.)

And a 2021 article on a study of neutering and aggression:

https://skeptvet.com/Blog/2021/01/ne...ssion-in-dogs/

The exec summary: Current research points toward later neutering or not neutering, but there still can't be a one size fits all rule.

Key to me is the issue of big picture societal needs (i.e., over population resulting in high euthanasia numbers) vs individual welfare needs (health and well being of the individual dog.) It's often a delicate balance.

I would urge all dog owners to read the meta analysis, and even dive deeper into the individual studies, And then discuss them with your vet, with your behaviorist, and with your trainer.

Key to your decision is: Are you willing/able to always put your responsibility as an owner front and center? I hope the answer is a resounding 'yes'.

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By the bye, the SkeptVet touches on a wide array of veterinary topics. His blog is IMO a fantastic resource for all of us who love our pets, well worth browsing.

When I am screening potential families for my litter early next year, one of the elements will be their capacity to handle an intact dog at least through 15+ months, barring any conditions on the puppy’s part or truly limiting circumstances on the part of the humans. That’s because I feel strongly that recent studies support allowing them their full hormones for healthy dogs mentally and physically. If someone isn’t able to or really doesn’t want to be responsible in that area, that’s perhaps a reason for me to suspect their abilities in other areas of responsibility too. Another element of the contract will be that the puppies are absolutely not to be used for breeding—and yes I know people could make mistakes or willfully go around the contract, but barring spay/neuter before the puppies even leave my place (which I’ve seen some American breeders do to my horror!), there isn’t really any fail proof way to control these issues anyway.

Personally, I am keeping my male intact despite his stud career hopes having been dashed very early on due to character and joint problems. We’re considering a vasectomy so that we could keep him with our bitch even when she’s in season, but I don’t think we’ll ultimately get him neutered “properly”. I am beginning to feel as well a strong conviction to leave the puppies’ hind dew claws, traditionally removed in my breed. This will get me branded as “incompetent” by some connaisseurs of the breed but I have done much reading and discussion with breeders on both sides and feel much more convinced by the argument to leave them.

That being said I do agree with meloncollie that there can’t be a one size fits all. Some young bitches get horrible phantom pregnancies for example, or testicular cancer or other complications in males. But on the whole it comes down to owner responsibility, and yes, there are those situations where the owner isn’t willing or can’t do the necessary follow-up.

Thank you for the link, Meloncollie. I read the article and comments....definitely something to think about.

I will be getting a female shiba inu (small to medium dog) next year, either from a breeder in France or Italy. Both say to avoid neutering until after the first or second heat cycle. My vet says the same. One breeder told me that male dogs are more popular among clientele because you don’t have to deal with heat cycles.

My recently deceased rescue was neutered in the shelter at about 8 months, I have no idea if this was before or after her season. But she had a form of periodic incontinence that was probably due to early neutering (too little estrogen, as I understood it). Canephedrin treated it well for years and she died at 17 of heart disease.

We’ll definitely look at the data once we have her, though, and talk to our vet. I’m pretty sure I will have her neutered at some point, however.

"prevent unwanted puppies" or overpopulation

I cannot listen to this bull shit anymore. Be responsible, supervise your dog to avoid overpopulation!

There is so much more to it than just cutting the balls off.

You as a responsible dog owner should know what it takes to avoid unwanted puppies, like the alpha couple in a wolf pack, that prevents other pack members from mating. Naturally you will not leave your female in heat unsupervised in the back yard, and only walk her on-leash, and in areas that are not frequented by other dogs.

After reading the latest scientific studies, my opinion is clear on this: In Switzerland vets recommend to spay/neuter asap only to foreigners. Because they are used to it. They never do this with domestics, who are educated.

Vets who desexes a healthy dog younger than 20 months without health risk, is simply greedy for money. Removing a dog’s ability to produce important hormones while his skeleton is still developing can result in delayed closure of the growth plates at the end of each long bone, which may put the dog at a higher risk for orthopedic disease, developing one or more joint disorders respectively.

Yes, in smaller breeds this happens round about 12 months, in middle to large sized breeds around 15 months, and in giant breeds approx. at 18 months.

Secondly, every event regarding health, and occurring before the age of 16 months may have a negative influence on the dog’s future behaviour.

The vets are baiting you with the “avoiding cancer” speech. In fact, chances are that you have to visit the vet even more often due to the side effects of desexing, and bring him more money.

Do you remember how it feels waking up after a surgery? Do you know how it feels having pain at your sexual organ? Do you know how it feels when something of your body is missing? For all of you who answered every time with “yes”: Why would you do this to your furry friend? Just so you do not have to pay attention? Don't get a dog.

The involved hormones that control unwanted behaviour are only an inferior product of the gonads.

Hunting & roaming behavior leads to escaping and straying. This Behavior is connected to stimuli – an object, quickly moving away from a dog triggers chasing & catching. The brain controls these behaviors; probably the limbic system is involved. For sure the hippocampus is relevant for spatial orientation, the important basis for straying. Sexual hormones do not control this behavior.

Ecological elimination of competitors, is not dependent on sexual hormones, but on appropriate socialization. Dogs that have not been socialized properly will more than likely show aggressions against other dogs.

Anxiety (angst), fear and stress related behavior has as a rule an indirect relationship with sexual hormones. This behavior will rather increase if you castrate your dog.

Protection behavior is often shown at the beginning of building a relationship, with the goal to keep unwanted thirds away. It is controlled by the norepinephrine and the cortisol. Also in females the testosterone will increase in the adrenal cortex if she was able to cope with a social conflict. Castration has no influence on these systems.

Hyper sexuality in males can also have different neuroscientific reasons. Aside the direct control of testosterone in the genitals this behavior is also depending on the norepinephrine system. Males can still show mounting, because of the transformation of testosterone to estradiol, and estradiol production increases in the adrenal gland after castration!

Without health risks, there will not be physical benefits for your dog, just for you.

Both, males and females can get fine, dull puppy like hair lateral of the torso and outside the extremities. Sometimes bilateral symmetrical loss of hair is possible.

The appetite increase in both and food will be better metabolized, so they need less energy and have a disposition to adiposities if the food does not get changed.

Studies of cardiac tumors in dogs showed that there was a 5 times greater risk of hemangiosarcoma, one of the three most common cancers in dogs, in spayed females than intact females and a 2.4 times greater risk in neutered dogs as compared to intact males.

Spaying and neutering is associated with an increase in urinary tract cancers in dogs. Both have a 27% to 38% increased risk of adverse reactions to vaccinations.

In males the connective tissue becomes looser, the hair becomes brittle, and less water resistant and the risk of eczemas increases. Due to the lack of testosterone they don’t build as much muscles anymore and therefore need more amino acids.

About 2% eventually develop prostate cancer, compared to less than 0.6% of intact males. In a study of 29 intact male dogs and 47 castrated males aged 11–14, the neutered males were significantly more likely to progress from one geriatric cognitive impairment condition (out of the four conditions – disorientation in the house or outdoors, changes in social interactions with human family members, loss of house training, and changes in the sleep-wake cycle) to two or more conditions.

Neutering also has been associated with an increased likelihood of urethral sphincter incontinence in males.

In females the connective tissue becomes tighter and they built more musculature. There can be the risk of mineral lacking in the calcium-phosphorus range. There is some evidence that spaying can increase the risk of urinary incontinence, especially when done before the age of three months. Spaying in female dogs removes the production of progesterone, which is a natural calming hormone and aserotonin uplifter. Spaying may therefore escalate any observable aggressive behavior, either to humans or other dogs.

The “Bielefelder” Study shows that a castration under the age of six months has only negative consequences: Negative changing of behavior like uncertain behavior towards other dogs, increased aggression towards same sex dogs, negative influence on the physical development, and lack of mental matureness.

If the castration takes place prior to the end of the puberty it is possible that the dog has an increased period of growth, lanky bones and overall gigantism (problems with the circulatory system!!!) as only the hormone production closes the Epiphyseal plate.

Due to the lack of sexual organs the dogs’ smell changes, neutered males become attractive for intact males – intact males mount 19% of the neutered males – and females may not be recognized by intact males and get attacked.

The learning and working ability of castrated males only increases because one distraction factor has been eliminated. If the dog owner is not able to provide interesting training, a castration has no influence on this ability.

Sources: Wright, Nesselrote, Miklósi, Teske, Goldschmidt, Blackshaw, Ganslosser, Feddersen-Petersen, Niepel

Having written all this: I read all the studies personally. I have experienced plenty of dogs, whose owners did not believe me, and they found themselves regularly at the orthopedic specialist or got rid of their dogs, because they could not handle the aggressive behavior anymore.

So, if there are proven health risks, of course you help your dog. I recommend Prof. Dr. Susi Arnold, http://www.animalreproduction.ch/site/index.cfm

The personality of a dog will be nearly developed around 18 months. Only then you will know if you have an A type dog or B type dog - wether confident or not confident. The A type dog is controlled by Adrenalin, the B type dog by cortisol. If you desex a B type dog, its brain might tell the system to produce cortisol constantly which will put your dog into non-stop-stress. This will get even worse, when you adopted a street dog from a different part of the world.

Therefore, if you want to go for it, please wait. However, if your vet said, I have an appointment available next week, lets do it - run!