Alcoholism

I worked at an institute for alcoholics, near Payerne Vaud, and would like to stress that alcoholism is a disease, it can be cured, and that family and friends need to support the patient, even if he does not appear to want any!

from Wickipaedia:

The modern disease theory of alcoholism states that problem drinking is sometimes caused by a disease of the brain , characterized by altered brain structure and function. The American Medical Association (AMA) had declared that alcoholism was an illness in 1956. In 1991, The AMA further endorsed the dual classification of alcoholism by the International Classification of Diseases under both psychiatric and medical sections.

Alcoholism is a chronic problem. However, if managed properly, damage to the brain can be stopped and to some extent reversed. [[1]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholism_%28disease%29#cite_note-1) In addition to problem drinking, the disease is characterized by symptoms including an impaired control over alcohol, compulsive thoughts about alcohol, and distorted thinking . [[2]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholism_%28disease%29#cite_note-MORSE1992-2) Alcoholism can also lead indirectly, through excess consumption, to physical dependence on alcohol, and diseases such as cirrhosis of the liver.

The risk of developing alcoholism depends on many factors, such as environment. Those with a family history of alcoholism are more likely to develop it themselves; [citation needed ] however, many individuals have developed alcoholism without a family history of the disease. [citation needed ] Since the consumption of alcohol is necessary to develop alcoholism, the availability of and attitudes towards alcohol in an individual's environment affect their likelihood of developing the disease. Current evidence indicates that in both men and women, alcoholism is 50–60% genetically determined, leaving 40-50% for environmental influences. [[3]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholism_%28disease%29#cite_note-The_Genetics_of_Alcohol_Dependency-3)

In a review in 2001, McLellan et al. compared the diagnoses, heritability, etiology (genetic and environmental factors), pathophysiology, and response to treatments (adherence and relapse) of drug dependence vs type 2 diabetes mellitus, hypertension, and asthma. They found that genetic heritability, personal choice, and environmental factors are comparably involved in the etiology and course of all of these disorders, providing evidence that drug (including alcohol) dependence is a chronic medical illness.

My brother Was one(past away) my sister a recoveret one .Mised me by a fraction of

After I left the institute I thought about myself and the patients, and how I could easily join them. Then I stopped drinking alcohol at home, & my health has improved. I still drink when I have visitors, or when I go out to a restaurant, or visit friends, maybe once or twice per week. It is now a luxury for me, which is the safest way.

Or are you in denial?

My cousin died a few weeks ago age 36 after 18 years struggling against alcoholism and depression. The inquest hasn't reached a verdict yet, but it seems that his heart gave out; he'd been sober for a few years before his death.

[QUOTE=NotAllThere;1886775]Or are you in denial?

I hope not hard to tell some times

Can be "cured?" Or do you mean "controlled?" My understading has always been that an alcoholic needs to never have alcohol. I have one friend who describes himself as being an alcoholic despite apparently never having had a drop in almost 35 years. He does not describes himself as being someone who used to be an alcoholic, but as one who is an alcoholic.

Sprinz - is once or twice a week, really a luxury? Can you get through a social event with no alcohol, and no urges for some? If so, great. If not, then perhaps you, like many people, have a social dependency on the stuff.

That's the AA mantra, and therefore the perceived wisdom. But I think it fails to take into account the different types of dependency and/or addiction that we group together under the same term.

As for 'never' having alcohol, well why not? Yes, for most alcoholics, the condition is typified by an inability to stop at one drink, and they will generally overindulge to a great extent once started, but that's also true of many people who wouldn't be so categorised.

But one binge, be it for a day or a week, does not a total relapse make, and for _some_ alcoholics (my dad is one) it's quite possible to return to a non-drinking state again afterwards. Sadly I think the AA approach can be less then helpful for some people, who will see themselves as having failed if they have a few drinks, which will then tend to push them into the downward spiral again.

I had never drunk alcohol in my life, and I think it is going socially very well - I drink whatever available without alcohol, even if it ends up with water when going out with friends, they don't complain so far -

of course I don't know what they think about it, but they still tell me when going out again.

I think Western people have better ability to accept others with different cultures.

Eugh, Im not a happy camper. I was out Saturday night (late....) and generally my hangovers are not physical (No sickness) but Id prefer if they were.

I've never been a big drinker (mainly because I get drunk quite quickly - chicken and egg) and much prefer the system in central Europe that one pays for their own drinks, usually to a waiter/ress who serves you at the table.

In the UK one usually ends up drinkling at the pace of the fastest drinker.

Say there are 6 of you in the pub, someone bought you a drink and next it's your round. One person, a fast drinker, downs their pint and stands around holding an empty glass eventually ending in "whose round is it!!". So I buy everyone a drink. Some people down their old one, some hold two glasses. And now, to ensure I get my money's worth, I want to stay long enough to get the 4 "free" drinks which are coming my way. Result - 6 pints of quickly drunk beer.

I usually end up about 2 drinks behind everyone. The "round" is so dangerous. . . . there is a round etiquette that comes with being in a round but I prefer to stay our of them!

I feel that if I don't drink alcohol for more than 5 days then I am not addicted. However I do enjoy a drink! There is a difference.

It is an addiction and a disease, so I agree it can be controlled but not cured in the sense that once the person stops drinking they cannot control themselves if they are served a drink. Like every addiction I suppose.

I believe Alcoholism is a dependance on Alcohol.

So IMO it doesnt matter if you drink daily or weekly, if you are dependant on Alcohol to help you cope with situations or feelings etc then I believe thats when the word "Alcoholism" comes into play.

If you're dependent on alcohol to some extent, yet aren't over-indulging and it isn't causing any problems in your life, then you're not, in my view, an alcoholic.

It's rather like the difference between having a mortgage and having debt problems.

Another term "Functioning Alcoholic" I have some friends who probably fit into this category but cant see it!

Would unseen problems count, like liver damage, for example?

Or were you just thinking about social/work problems?

I'm not sure I agree with you anyway. What I have noticed about the alcoholics that I know is that they appear to either be blind to, or in denial of problems that it is causing in their lives, and in the lives of their families and friends.

Sorry, but was there a hidden agenda which spurned this thread?

Does someone we all know have an issue that is breaking news?

I guess it's about discipline and respecting your limits as with any addiction. For those who don't have the affliction, it's easy to preach, for those in the downward spiral they can't see any light beyond their "next fix", be that drinking, drugs or whatever the substance is.

I never drink alcohol alone, at home. For this particular reason.

I think I made an exception, once, because of a pizza and there was a bit of left-over wine....

But generally, I use alcohol mostly for cooking and baking ;-)

I saw somebody at the tram-station on Friday who was drinking vodka out of a bottle. It was very sad, notably because he didn't look very happy.

But what can you do?

I have to say that I didn't start drinking alcohol until I was 19. At that point, I didn't have to prove anything to anybody by drinking more than what was good for me.

The point is, if someone has a dependency and it isn't causing problems (actual, even if denied, affecting health, social and/or work), then I wouldn't define that as alcoholism.