Just thought I'd alert my fellow nerds that something new to buy is imminent. Possibly just the iphone going on sale? The swiss store is still up.
Sh1t, I'd better get a job.
Minutes into the WWDC intro from Steve Jobs and the apple store is offline...
Safari for Windows and AJAX for iPhones. Not too bad.
what's good about that? Apple porting yet another browser to windows and not offering a decent SDK for the iPhone hmmm :-(
I agree with dawiz. $129 for a service pack...where they are free on Windows. Another browser for Windows where Firefox and IE already dominate and no real 3rd party apps for their phone. Does not sound like a winning combination.
Have fun
Martin
AJAX is an improvement to Apple's former statement that there won't be any third party apps at all.
Safari probably got ported over to improve the handling of iPhones for Windows users and not as a gift to mankind.
And frankly I've heard the $129 service pack flame too many times to care. You're free to look up some of the improvements in 10.5 on Apple's website.
Yeah, the AJAX thing is better than nothing - but it's somewhat disappointing nevertheless. I'd really like to know the real reason why they don't just release a real SDK like all other phone manufacturers.
I don't think Safari on Windows has anything to do with the iPhone or at least it won't be essential for it - the phone will be released in 10 days and Safari won't be out until October. The current beta is totally unusable. It crashed on me after less than 20 seconds (I'm not exaggerating either).
Seriously - I'm thinking Jobs is slowing losing it. I believe they're still trying to keep their options open for eventually booting OS X.
As for the 129$ : well, the update isn't that expensive but it sure does look a lot like what Microsoft did with Vista. Not much improvement, lots of cosmetic change, the addition of lots of unnecessary crap. The only "killer-feature" Leopard seems to have is the backup framework (time machine) but it still has to show itself to be useful for average customers who might not have a server at home onto which the backups can be loaded. I personally can't use an external harddisk for backup purposes as I already have one permanently connected to the only FW400 port of my Macbook Pro to store my large photo portfolio. And also I don't believe that backing up on a (single) external harddrive that sits right next to my computer will do any good in case of lightning, a power surge, fire, water accident etc. etc.
dawiz
Can't believe my original post received a "groan" from telandy on the basis it wasnt useful. Given that there's been a few responses then surely it's been of interest to a few people.
Or perhaps I'm using the groan feature wrong, and should simply go around this forum and groan any thread that doesn't interest me specifically?
I think this approach by Apple will hamper it being treateed as a business phone. Not that it is necessarily being marketed as one. But the blackberry addicts who "enjoy" MS Exchange support won't be able to convert to the iPhone, even if they should want to.
The windows version or the iPhone version of Safari? I don't understand the logic of pushing Safari onto Windows either. I don't think Safari is particularly good either.
"Booting OS X"? As in getting rid of it? Or as in booting it in the computer sense?
Consumers often go for eye candy. I can't stand eye candy if it slows things down. e.g. Windows's fade in effects in 2000 and XP.
It's the first new official OS release for a few years. In less time than it took MS to deliver Vista, and at a small fraction of the price. As a Mac user at home who uses windows XP Professional at work, I much prefer Mac OS X. Meanwhile, I have had many updates delivered since I started using OS X last September.
Last, and I shall wait until I see it, Leopard should deliver some performance improvements - apparanetly this is normal for Mac OS upgrades. Windows always seems to slow down with updates on the same hardware.
Do firewire hubs exist? IANAE, but I thought firewire is a bus interface, so you should be able to daisy chain devices.
I also think time machine is the only real "must have" in terms of features.
As for backups, there is more to backups than recovering from disaster. Backups are a sort of version control, and of course, data might be corrupted, parts of a doc accidentally deleted, or files accidentally or deliberately deleted, only to find it was really needed shortly after.
Just my $0.02
I also think that Safari won't be required for iPhone users. But apparently Safari is meant to be an environment for the Ajax stuff identical to the iPhone.
For developers there's some more beyond the GUI improvements, like the Core Design library.
I don't expect a performance increase for this update. The optimisation process was non-deniable between 10.0 and 10.3, but now i expect the emphasis to be more on user experience than performance. Hopefully the system requirements will stay a good distance under Vista's for now.
The licencing for OS X is better than MS is it not?
OS X Family-Pack:
(from www.apple.com/legal/sla/macosxfamily.html )
This retails for less than a single Vista licence IIRC.
AFAIK you can daisy chain FW devices but the bus speed is then split up among all devices - not practicable when these devices are hard drives.
What I could do is get a Express-Card eSata adapter and hook up an additional hard disk via eSata
dawiz
We have a 10.4 family license here, although I doubt that it differs from the single user license in more than a few bits in the EULA, as Apple so far has no obligatory registration process. The reasoning probably is that the few pirate updates are bearable because they affect only Macs, but I don't exclude that the policy will change, should "hackintoshes" become popular (OS X installations on non-Apple hardware).
Since you get the OS 'free' with every Mac in the way that you get Windows 'free' with practically every PC, the more generous licensing terms aren't a whole lot of use.
However, the fact that Apple expect users to spend approx $130 every 18 months or so for what is effectively a 'point' release really sucks. Plus, they drop support for the older versions when the new one comes out so if you don't upgrade you'll find your system unsupported pretty quickly.
With Windows you get ongoing free support for about five years. This includes service packs which are the equivalent of 'new releases' of OS X.
I'd have to agree with you. I've seen a few groans that I think were uncalled for, but that one was by far the most extraordinary one I've seen!
And I say that despite the fact that reading through this thread is often like undertaking an advanced course in Double Dutch for me when I've missed the beginners and intermediate parts
Thank goodness for that. I thought I was going crazy. If everyone who posted a response on this thread could THANK me for it then I should come out ahead ;-)
Does that mean available or effective bandwidth? By which I mean, hang two devices off a firewire 400. Are only 200Mb/s available per device even if one device is doing nothing?
Or use USB 2. If you have the holes available at the back of your PC.
I'm not sure about that. Windows OS upgrades to the consumer have been in 1995, 1998, 2000, 2003 and 2007. I am being generous in counting 1998 as different from the 1995 release. Also generous in counting the 2000 and 2003 releases as different. I have no practical experience of the 2007 release. Each major MS release tends to require a hardware upgrade to match the requirements of the new bloat and new bugs. So to get your "free" windows upgrade you must buy a new PC. Not really very cheap.
I wasn't aware that Apple "quickly" drop support for previous OSes. How quickly is "quickly"? In any case, you are probably right about $130 per 18 months, but if you count anti virus maintenance for your Windows OS that is also an annual cost. Windows OS updates, and usually SPs cost you performance too. With a new OS release, you usually have to upgrade your hardware too.
I do not agree with that statement at all. Windows service packs rarely do much more than roll up previous patch Tuesday releases. And windows SPs tend to be performance thieves.
I am sorry but apart from this whole thread having little to do with the english forum you are also the last posting seems more appropriate to slashdot than the english forum. If you don't know much about Windows then why post. A lot of what you say is factually incorrect and FUD at worse. You also forget XP SP2 which in many ways was an OS upgrade.
Apple is no different from any other company apart from being much more proprietary. Apple just does not do very inovative or interesting things...even the ipod borrowed the interface from Creative and wasn't event the first hd mp3 play and it is just incrediblely sad that by the mistakes of others and excellent marketing they having been able to dominate a market.
Can someone tell me what this thread has to do with english speaking people in Switzerland ?
Thanks
Martin
I didn't think you deserved a groan either so I've thanked you to even it out. Sure it's not Swiss related but there's tons of those around and its in the right category.
"General Off-Topic Gossip, surveys, general interest."
How about this sub-forum's title and description? Does that give you any clues? And if it has nothing to do with the forum at large, why did you bother posting your opinions on the matter? Still, I'm sure you're a well-balanced individual and I look forward to seeing your groans appear next to every other thread that doesn't meet your expectations.