Autism daughter and financial independence

Greetings everyone,

This is my first post. I am a single mother and I have a daughter who is an Autism. She completed her schooling from a special school and is currently doing her weiterbildung at BSB Creative Work School. I was informed that she is good at creative work and that they will hire her once she completes her training. However, I was surprised to learn that they will only pay her around 700 CHF. It is painful for me to know that despite all the efforts I have put in to keep her on track, she may never be able to achieve financial independence.

Has anyone else been in a similar situation? I am worried for my daughter's future and would appreciate any advice.

Looking forward

Regards

What's her age? The salary sounds something on a level with an apprenticeship wage (give or take). Do you think this job will progress or will act as a sort of first rung on the ladder, and she will be able to develop her working life from there?

What are the views of the staff of the creative work school she attends? Perhaps they can point her towards a path that progresses further?

Move. Switzerland is not easy in acceptance and providing opportunities to those who have a disability, special needs, or similar. I have two friends who moved to France with children/young adults who had different conditions. For one, there were more work opportunities for her disabled son, in addition to living arrangements, where he is more independent. The other one had problems and there were more therapeutic and resources available. Both are doing very well in France. My daughter has special needs and says as soon as she's 18 she's leaving Switzerland. But to each their own.

Thanks for quick response.

She is 18 now. School mentioned I should contact AHV or any foundation for supplementary benefits. But Im afraid of situation. They told me your daughter will continue to work with us and you may apply for supplementary benefits from external source Therefore I thought to ask people at this forum.

That sounds a bit discriminatory to me

If it's an apprenticeship, then she is dependent on you are you have a duty to pay (up until the age of 25). You still get the child allowance. If you have financial difficulties supporting your daughter, then there are foundations who can help. My daughter-in-law did her apprenticeship 100km away from her home, and she did get financial assistance - but still only a small stipend. It's perfectly normal.

I think you really need to get that clarified. Is it a full time permanent job their offering or an apprenticeship with all that goes with it? Or an internship - they can be pretty low paid as well.

"Move. Switzerland is not easy in acceptance and providing opportunities to those who have a disability, special needs, or similar".

Happened to neighbours of ours at the beginning of the year. Their little boy started at a local school, but had a level of ADHD and the school said they could not cope with children like that. It finished up with the mum taking their little boy back to the EU city they were from and the dad remaining in Basel whilst trying to get a job transfer back to their home city. He has ended up commuting between 2 countries.

Such BS some of the schools here try. Schools here are obliged to cater to these situations and put in place the needed resources. Except they try to push you out of the system to make their life easier. BTDT. So sorry for this family and for any future readers, please remind the school sweetly that it's Thier obligation to ensure your child can thrive. (Obligatory school age clearly, later it becomes trickier)

My daughter is a recently qualified primary teacher. No they don't. They do all they can to keep kids in the mainstream. Of course that requires money that the governments seem reluctant to spend.

I had a look at the website and it appears to be place which provides training for young people with difficulties and also provides employment for some of them but if I I’ve understood correctly the jobs are for people who are registered with and receiving assistance from the invalidity insurance so it’s basically just a bit of extra income for them.

https://kreativwerkstatt.bsb.ch/Ueber-uns

Don't give up and ask foundations and associations, work through the system, find people who are experts at this to support you and her. Worst case she should get invalidity insurance, which should be then sufficient to achieve financial independence and live by herself (depending on the level of autism).

The individual teachers of course don't, the school system itself yes and only as a last resort should special schools be used. They cannot simply tell you "we cannot do anything" because school is compulsory and a right in CH and not everyone has resources for private schools or a home country to go to.

The problem is that IV is predicated on how much you are able (or they consider you are able) to work. It absolutely does not cover the situation where the disabled person is doing a small/not very lucrative job - it does not look at how much you are making it just looks at the fact that you could be working. We know a young man here who has a part time job at a local butchers and who lives in a small apartment near his parents - he needs assistance to live alone yet IV will not either pay a rente because he is working but also will not contribute to the cost of his assistants who go in three times a day to help him with independent living because he is living independently so does not qualify! The parents are taking the decision to judicial review.

The priorities for IV are changing...slowly.... I was looking at the new documentation that is being circulated ....it's focused more on forward thinking to try to build as many work and independence supports as possible.... YES - you need to talk to SVA very soon to check as the rules/requirements changed substantially in around 2022 and people are sitll very unaware. This also applies to anyone who has a 'young adult' or 'youth' living under their roof that they are financially responsible for....

Since 2022 there are also changes to subsidies and supports from SVA for parents who have a young adult at home - it's important to get up to date with that information as well. We discovered (after the fact) that our family income is below a threshhold to receive an additional payment towards our 'studying' children/s living costs. No one told is we could apply for that.... a few months later we started receiving documents from SVA to get this in process...but it will take time to work out the paperwork.

There are more supports coming in to try to help more young people to transition from home to living independently. This of course is very important to reduce the long-term cost and increase financial indepencence (living skills, mental health, adaptation to independent life).(as you have said, financial independence is a huge concern)....

'Sheltered workshops' are what we would call your daughter's programme if it was in Australia - a place where people who are unable to ever work independently are kept in some sort of occupation - but not paid like an adult worker. Yes, it can be exploitative. You can certainly read academic research and reports that highlight the problems - a quick skim of things to check includes:

- Is this a dead-end programme ? Is there any progression of people out of these places to something more resembling real employment, progression and real-life skills or is it more 'social' focused - giving them somewhere to be and people to spend time with and using them for repetitive manual labour ?

- Does the programme rely on the income being generated from the workers to fund their programme ? - on the surface this sounds like a 'good idea' but not if the institution retains capable workers who could actually be found (with the right support) a proper open-employment position and career progression....

- are the clients/staff/young people actually given freedom and working conditions that resemble modern safe work environments ? Or are they being treated basically like slave labour - fully dictated to and treated poorly? Sitting too long in a chair, paid per piece, with little or no freedom to make any independent choices.

- is the person free to choose to participate or not ? Are they punished if the have a bad day, will they lose support (financial, social, psychological, access to other services) if they decide that they do not want to do the work.

- Is the person being asked to 'work' in a way that replaced properly salaried jobs for the organisation. Usually the 'test' for this is whether a qualified and fully paid salaried person also works alongside the trainee, and whether the trainee's position is surplus to requirements. Eg. the organisation does not employ cleaners but expects the 'staff member' to handle all the cleaning and maintain it to a professional standard.

It's very difficult to decide whether this is the best option for your child....from their website it certainly sounds very interesting..... but I've worked with a client in this situation (in Australia) and worked alongside a group of young people who were placed into these sorts of 'sheltered workshops' and it was definitely a) exploitative b)inappropriate c)unsafe - so I'm fairly critical about it, but I can see how easily these places can be set up with the best of intentions, and also that the cost of running them is extremely expensive (perhaps also highly inefficient, but that is a discussion for another day). On the other hand, some people absolutely love being a part of these sorts of institutions and feel a real sense of belonging and purpose.

So yes, you do need to get up to date with IV, SVA and any other supports available for your daughter now that she has turned 18, and also with the arrangement for her current work/study programme. It will be very likely assumed that because she has always been in 'special school' there is no way that she can become an independent earner... and in my experience that is a huge barrier to overcome. And it's going to take a very individualised approach to find a way to build anything resembling financial independence.... which a 'sheltered workshop' type of organisation is not likely to be focused on.

And yes, we are still very much in a 'deficit' model - focusing on what you cannot do, not on what you can do - and the more you 'cannot' do, the greater the support, but then you are penalised (by having support removed) as you build skills....

I know a person whose daughter has a severe illness that limits her ability to work, she has Swiss citizenship. She works part time in a factory earning around 2k a month. Some social service agency (not sure if AHV or something else) pays the rest to complete to 3k+. I've forgotten the details as this conversation was 5+ years ago. Her medical bills are also compensated by some govermental institution.

Thanks for detailed reply and sharing relevant information.

I will get back on this forum once get Anweisers of all open Questins. But highly appreciate your valuable input.